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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Pabappa » 28 Nov 2017 01:27

Ive been working on the noun declension tables for Khulls, as I mentioned earlier. I want to post a chart soon in the hopes that it might be itneresting to someone who wants to make noun declensions that have the appeal of PIE but in an a priori language. More to the point, someone who wants to know how to get from 100% agglutinative to fusional without making it look fake by deliebrately messing with the inflections to make them look more random.

găna "pineapple"
NOM găna
ACC gaṗ
LOC ganâ
GEN ganī
INSTR ganō

etc. This declension originally also had a locative in -ġʷ, but since the locative for the "fruit" noun class likely wouldnt be used that much, I analogized it based on other similar-sounding endings. Yet the original -ġʷ was perfectly regular and predictable from the sound changes all Khulls words went through.
Sorry guys, this one has the worst sting.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by shanoxilt » 28 Nov 2017 23:52

I made a small poem in Sajem Tan today.

/ʒu xænønfɛ ɮo.
duʒeku tænfɛ.
duku snæmdɑsun.
ɮokɑm xænønfɛ.
ɮo mændɑ det͡s ʒu.
kæsynɛt sin du./

I'm unsure of the gloss, but here is a rough translation:

They greet you.
What will you talk about?
What will be given?
You greet with them.
You thanked them.
May this recur.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ælfwine » 29 Nov 2017 02:30

Found a solution to my agglutinative romlang's nominal declension. Before I wanted to get rid of gender while keeping the nominative and accusative forms distinct. So what I did was place the article before the noun in the accusative, like most Romance languages, but after the noun in the nominative, like Romanian and Aromanian. Furthermore the definite article is regularized to become "el" from illu/illa mostly due to the early loss of final vowels. No gender, agglutinative structure, just like Hungarian! (And Cappadochian Greek...)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » 29 Nov 2017 07:32

Although to have Latin-style numbered noun declensions in Lihmelinyan would be untenable, I have decided to class the stem types with Roman numerals and letters for closely related types:

a - masculine thematics (a-stems)
Ib - neuter thematics (a-stems)
IIa - ā-stem feminines
IIb - ī-stem feminines
IIIa - masc/fem i-stems
IIIb - neuter i-stems
IVa - masc/fem u-stems
IVb - neuter u-stems
Va - masc/fem n, r, l-stems (asigmatic nominative consonant stems)
Vb - neuter consonant stems
Vc - masc/fem sigmatic nominative consonant stems
VI - diphthong stems

Don't even get me started on how to organize the verb stems...

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 01 Dec 2017 14:25

Systematically went through all the possible vowel sandhi outcomes in Proto-Núta, then applied a simple vowel shift to obtain the vowel sandhi rules for Modern Núta, which are rather unpredictable. I’m hoping to start posting on the language soon, but just for fun, here are two of the less predictable outcomes:

a + u → ye
ı + ı → yu

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Iyionaku » 01 Dec 2017 15:37

Have been translating a short text in Caelian ("My house" on this board), suddenly it stroke me that the word order was just wrong all along. Before it was

Indefinite Article - Noun

Which was totally against every oder principle in the language. Hence I changed it to

Noun - Indefinite Article.

Oh and I implemented a somewhat restricted case declension to the indefinite articles.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Frislander » 01 Dec 2017 16:35

I've started a new language with a weird phonology, and also boasting a paucal number as well as the typical Papuan syncretism of second and third person non-singular... but not much else. I do know however that I'm gonna try and incorporate good amounts of irregularity, and I even fancy trying out some discontinuous stems à la Athabaskan. Also this conlang will I think mark my return to full polysynthesis if it takes off, you may be pleased to hear.

I'm thinking I might want to build up its basic vocabulary for Lexember but honestly I don't know if I'm even gonna have the time - I go back home from Cambridge tomorrow and this evening I'm probably gonna be totally shitfaced because of the Selwyn Snowball. And progress on said complex morphology is at present grindingly slow, so some of the most important aspects may not be determined for a few days yet.

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01 Dec 2017 14:25
Systematically went through all the possible vowel sandhi outcomes in Proto-Núta, then applied a simple vowel shift to obtain the vowel sandhi rules for Modern Núta, which are rather unpredictable. I’m hoping to start posting on the language soon, but just for fun, here are two of the less predictable outcomes:

a + u → ye
ı + ı → yu
Ooh, delicious!

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Egerius » 01 Dec 2017 17:49

Aided by a creative outburst while I was listening to some music, I drew the (near-)perfect picture for my Conlang Cards this year.
The only thing I have to do is to exchange some buildings and add some text (and re-draw it in ink).
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by spanick » 01 Dec 2017 21:37

I finished updating and revising my dictionary for Gotski. I now have 428 entries and counting! (this is by far my best developed conlang and lexicon)

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by felipesnark » 02 Dec 2017 19:04

I decided to loosen up the stress rules for Shonkasika. While most words of all classes are stressed on the penultimate syllable, I'm allowing for nouns and adjectives to be stressed on the ultima and the penultimate syllable. I decided to modify my orthography and declension rules to account for the changes.

Spelling:
If the vowel normally does not have a diacritical mark, it receives an acute accent: a > á
If the vowel normally has a circumflex accent, it exchanged it for a grave accent: â > à
If the vowel normally has a diaeresis, the vowel is written twice: ä > ää
If the vowel is part of the diphthong, the non-high vowel (i.e, not <i/u>) receives the accent mark: ai > ái

Declensions and stress types:
Most nouns and adjectives are stressed on the penultimate syllable in all forms. The stress shifts to always fall on the penultimate syllable when suffixes are added for declension.
Some nouns and adjectives are stressed on the ultima, or last syllable. The stress shifts to always fall on the last syllable, even when syllables are added.
Other nouns and adjectives are stressed on the antepenultimate syllable. As suffixes are added, stress shifts to maintain the stress on the antepenultimate syllable.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by gestaltist » 02 Dec 2017 19:31

I finalized a sketch of the diachronics of Nakarian (temporary name). It's messy and needs refinement but it's enough to participate in Lexember.

I doubt anybody would have the patience but in case you're very bored, here are the sound changes in SCA2's format:
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K=ptʈkɸsʂxhmnɳŋ∂rɭ
A=aeiou18
G=bdɖgβzʐɣɦmnɳŋ∂rɭ
Ć=ŧʦʧcθɕɕɕȷǹrɲɲ∂ll
Ź=đʣʤɟðʑʑʑjǹrɲɲ∂ll
T=tsnrŧθðǹʦdzʣ∂l
R=ʈʂɳɽʈʂʐɳʧɖʐʤʤɭ
F=tʈksʂnɳ∂rɭdɖzʐʧcȷʤɟðɽ
J=ŧtkθsǹn∂rlđdðzʦʨɕʣʥlr
Ǝ=əɤɯou29
Y=aeiou18əɤɯou29
C=ptkɸsxhmnŋ∂rbdgβzɣɦŧʦcθɕȷǹɲlđʣɟðʑj
X=ptkbdgt͜sʦʣʧʤʨʥŧđ∂cɟ
S=ɸsxβzɣθðɕȷʑj
Ś=pʦkbʣgɸβʨɕʥʑ
Ť=ŧđǹθð
E=1289
I=iɤuɯ
V=ɤɯɨəaeiou
B=bdgđʣɟ∂
N=mnŋǹ?ɲ?
P=pbmɸw
Z=trnsl


ɸ|f

d͜ʒ|∂
ɾ|r
ɛ|e
i̯|1
u̯|8
a̤|aH
e̤|eH
i̤|iH
o̤|oH
ṳ|uH

t͜s|ʦ
d͜z|ʣ
ʈ͜ʂ|ʧ
ɖ͜ʐ|ʤ
t͜ɕ|ʨ
d͜ʑ|ʥ
t̪|ŧ
d̪|đ
n̪|ǹ
j̥|ȷ
a˞|ã
i˞|ĩ
o˞|õ
u˞|ũ
ɤ̯|2
ɯ̯|9
ɨ̯|3


-- Breathy voiced marked with "H"

-- Simplifying diphthongs for convenience
ɔ/o/_
ʊ/u/_

-- Merging words
-//_

-- Nasal POA assimilation
[nɳŋ]/m/_[pɸmh]
[nɳŋ]/m/[pɸmh]_

[mɳŋ]/n/_[tsn∂r]
[mɳŋ]/n/[tsn∂r]_

[mnŋ]/ɳ/_[ʈʂɳɭ]
[mnŋ]/ɳ/[ʈʂɳɭ]_

[mnɳ]/ŋ/_[kxŋ]
[mnɳ]/ŋ/[kxŋ]_

-- Intervocalic voicing
K/G/A(H)_A

-- Diphthong simplification
a1/e/_
a8/o/_

K1/Ć/_
G1/Ź/_


-- Disappearance of breathy voice with compensatory voicing of preceding consonant
K/G/_A(A)H
Ć/Ź/_A(A)H
H//_

-- Retroflex spreading
T/R/_…R
T/R/R…_
/ɽ/A_…R/_[rɽY]
/ɽ/R…A_/_[rɽY]
-- (recursion)
T/R/_…R
T/R/R…_
/ɽ/A_…R/_[rɽY]
/ɽ/R…A_/_[rɽY]
-- (recursion)
T/R/_…R
T/R/R…_
/ɽ/A_…R/_[rɽY]
/ɽ/R…A_/_[rɽY]

-- Coda stop lenition
[ptʈkŧʦʧc]/ʔ/_[#FG]

-- Disappearance of retroflexes and some other changes
F/J/_

-- Disappearance of postvocalic r
Ar/Ǝ/_/_Y

-- Reduction of schwa in some positions with strengthening of previous schwa
ə/ɤ/_CəCY/Y_
ə//YC_CY

-- Loss of voiced fricatives other than ɦ
β/8/[aeio]_[C#]
β/u/C_#
β/w/_
z/r/_#
z/s/_
ɣ/w/_[ou]
ɣ/w/[ou8]_
ɣ/ɦ/_
ð/ɦ/_[#C]
ð/đ/_
ʑ/ʥ/Y_Y
ʑ/j/_C
ʑ/ɕ/_

-- Low tone on word-final closed syllables [tonogenesis]
/˨/_C#/_ʔ#

-- Elision of word-final vowels
V//V…_#/C[C138]_

-- Epenthesis in word-final affricates
[ʣ∂]/ʣɯ/_#

-- Palatalization of dż in other positions
∂/ʥ/_

-- Glottal stop subsumed in clusters
X/X²/ʔ_
S/Ś/ʔ_
ʔ//_[XŚ]

-- Dental POA assimilation
Ť/Ť²/V_Ť
Ť//Ť²_

-- Disappearance of glottal stop [tonogenesis]
/˦/_ʔ#
ʔ//_

-- Disappearance of h in clusters [tonogenesis]
/˦/Y_h[C#]
/˦/Y_Ch
h//_C
h//C_
h//_#

-- Disappearance of ɦ in clusters [tonogenesis]
/˨/Y_ɦ[C#]
/˨/Y_Cɦ
ɦ//_C
ɦ//C_
ɦ//_#

-- Disappearance of r in clusters [tonogenesis]
/˨/Y_r[C#]
/˨/Y_Cr
r//_C
r//C_
r//_#

-- Syllabification/simplification of diphthongs next to clusters (creation of V(C) syllables)
o8/u/_[˨˦]C[C#]
o8/u/CC_
E/I/_[˨˦]C[C#]
E/I/CC_

-- Lenition of some syllable-final consonants
B/N/Y_[C#]/_²
[ɸθs]/h/_[C#]

-- Loss of dental-alveolar distinction and Samhan influence
k/q/_(k)[ɤəaeo]
ʨ/k/_/_(ʨ)[ie1]
ʥ/g/_/_(ʥ)[ie1]
ɕ/x/_/_(ɕ)[ie1]

x/χ/_(x)[ɤəaeo]

[hɦx]/χ/Y_Y
[xɦ]/h/_

t/ʦ/_[ie1]
d/ʥ/_[ie1]
s/ɕ/_(s)[ie1]
t/ʦ/_ʦ
d/ʥ/_ʥ
s/ɕ/_ɕ

Ť/P/_(Ť)[ou8]
Ť/Z/_


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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Keenir » 03 Dec 2017 04:46

I worked a page or two on Stoplang - what began as a very belated entry for a past speedlanging session, and modified itself before I could stop it. If nothing else, Stoplang will survive til the end of Lexember i say very very hopefully.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by DesEsseintes » 03 Dec 2017 05:28

gestaltist wrote:
02 Dec 2017 19:31
I finalized a sketch of the diachronics of Nakarian (temporary name). It's messy and needs refinement but it's enough to participate in Lexember.

I doubt anybody would have the patience but in case you're very bored, here are the sound changes in SCA2's format:
Spoiler:

Code: Select all

K=ptʈkɸsʂxhmnɳŋ∂rɭ
A=aeiou18
G=bdɖgβzʐɣɦmnɳŋ∂rɭ
Ć=ŧʦʧcθɕɕɕȷǹrɲɲ∂ll
Ź=đʣʤɟðʑʑʑjǹrɲɲ∂ll
T=tsnrŧθðǹʦdzʣ∂l
R=ʈʂɳɽʈʂʐɳʧɖʐʤʤɭ
F=tʈksʂnɳ∂rɭdɖzʐʧcȷʤɟðɽ
J=ŧtkθsǹn∂rlđdðzʦʨɕʣʥlr
Ǝ=əɤɯou29
Y=aeiou18əɤɯou29
C=ptkɸsxhmnŋ∂rbdgβzɣɦŧʦcθɕȷǹɲlđʣɟðʑj
X=ptkbdgt͜sʦʣʧʤʨʥŧđ∂cɟ
S=ɸsxβzɣθðɕȷʑj
Ś=pʦkbʣgɸβʨɕʥʑ
Ť=ŧđǹθð
E=1289
I=iɤuɯ
V=ɤɯɨəaeiou
B=bdgđʣɟ∂
N=mnŋǹ?ɲ?
P=pbmɸw
Z=trnsl


ɸ|f

d͜ʒ|∂
ɾ|r
ɛ|e
i̯|1
u̯|8
a̤|aH
e̤|eH
i̤|iH
o̤|oH
ṳ|uH

t͜s|ʦ
d͜z|ʣ
ʈ͜ʂ|ʧ
ɖ͜ʐ|ʤ
t͜ɕ|ʨ
d͜ʑ|ʥ
t̪|ŧ
d̪|đ
n̪|ǹ
j̥|ȷ
a˞|ã
i˞|ĩ
o˞|õ
u˞|ũ
ɤ̯|2
ɯ̯|9
ɨ̯|3


-- Breathy voiced marked with "H"

-- Simplifying diphthongs for convenience
ɔ/o/_
ʊ/u/_

-- Merging words
-//_

-- Nasal POA assimilation
[nɳŋ]/m/_[pɸmh]
[nɳŋ]/m/[pɸmh]_

[mɳŋ]/n/_[tsn∂r]
[mɳŋ]/n/[tsn∂r]_

[mnŋ]/ɳ/_[ʈʂɳɭ]
[mnŋ]/ɳ/[ʈʂɳɭ]_

[mnɳ]/ŋ/_[kxŋ]
[mnɳ]/ŋ/[kxŋ]_

-- Intervocalic voicing
K/G/A(H)_A

-- Diphthong simplification
a1/e/_
a8/o/_

K1/Ć/_
G1/Ź/_


-- Disappearance of breathy voice with compensatory voicing of preceding consonant
K/G/_A(A)H
Ć/Ź/_A(A)H
H//_

-- Retroflex spreading
T/R/_…R
T/R/R…_
/ɽ/A_…R/_[rɽY]
/ɽ/R…A_/_[rɽY]
-- (recursion)
T/R/_…R
T/R/R…_
/ɽ/A_…R/_[rɽY]
/ɽ/R…A_/_[rɽY]
-- (recursion)
T/R/_…R
T/R/R…_
/ɽ/A_…R/_[rɽY]
/ɽ/R…A_/_[rɽY]

-- Coda stop lenition
[ptʈkŧʦʧc]/ʔ/_[#FG]

-- Disappearance of retroflexes and some other changes
F/J/_

-- Disappearance of postvocalic r
Ar/Ǝ/_/_Y

-- Reduction of schwa in some positions with strengthening of previous schwa
ə/ɤ/_CəCY/Y_
ə//YC_CY

-- Loss of voiced fricatives other than ɦ
β/8/[aeio]_[C#]
β/u/C_#
β/w/_
z/r/_#
z/s/_
ɣ/w/_[ou]
ɣ/w/[ou8]_
ɣ/ɦ/_
ð/ɦ/_[#C]
ð/đ/_
ʑ/ʥ/Y_Y
ʑ/j/_C
ʑ/ɕ/_

-- Low tone on word-final closed syllables [tonogenesis]
/˨/_C#/_ʔ#

-- Elision of word-final vowels
V//V…_#/C[C138]_

-- Epenthesis in word-final affricates
[ʣ∂]/ʣɯ/_#

-- Palatalization of dż in other positions
∂/ʥ/_

-- Glottal stop subsumed in clusters
X/X²/ʔ_
S/Ś/ʔ_
ʔ//_[XŚ]

-- Dental POA assimilation
Ť/Ť²/V_Ť
Ť//Ť²_

-- Disappearance of glottal stop [tonogenesis]
/˦/_ʔ#
ʔ//_

-- Disappearance of h in clusters [tonogenesis]
/˦/Y_h[C#]
/˦/Y_Ch
h//_C
h//C_
h//_#

-- Disappearance of ɦ in clusters [tonogenesis]
/˨/Y_ɦ[C#]
/˨/Y_Cɦ
ɦ//_C
ɦ//C_
ɦ//_#

-- Disappearance of r in clusters [tonogenesis]
/˨/Y_r[C#]
/˨/Y_Cr
r//_C
r//C_
r//_#

-- Syllabification/simplification of diphthongs next to clusters (creation of V(C) syllables)
o8/u/_[˨˦]C[C#]
o8/u/CC_
E/I/_[˨˦]C[C#]
E/I/CC_

-- Lenition of some syllable-final consonants
B/N/Y_[C#]/_²
[ɸθs]/h/_[C#]

-- Loss of dental-alveolar distinction and Samhan influence
k/q/_(k)[ɤəaeo]
ʨ/k/_/_(ʨ)[ie1]
ʥ/g/_/_(ʥ)[ie1]
ɕ/x/_/_(ɕ)[ie1]

x/χ/_(x)[ɤəaeo]

[hɦx]/χ/Y_Y
[xɦ]/h/_

t/ʦ/_[ie1]
d/ʥ/_[ie1]
s/ɕ/_(s)[ie1]
t/ʦ/_ʦ
d/ʥ/_ʥ
s/ɕ/_ɕ

Ť/P/_(Ť)[ou8]
Ť/Z/_

I was apparently “very bored”[/quote] and read through your changes. Loved the tonogenesis and now have new ideas for tone in Núta. [:D]

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by gestaltist » 03 Dec 2017 07:53

Glad you liked it, Des. Anything that jumped at you as implausible?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Znex » 04 Dec 2017 00:30

I didn't accomplish it today (more like last week), but I finally finished my paper on Romani. [:O]
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by felipesnark » 04 Dec 2017 01:09

I did some reorganization of Shonkasika's lexicon (I use SIL FieldWorks Language Explorer to manage it). I basically decided to treat middle, passive, and causative senses of a verb with notes about which voice to use rather than separate head entries.

Here is an example:
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 04 Dec 2017 09:39

I made a cute little orb to use as a symbol for my conworld:

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(Still need to make a Frath page for it since I have been linking to it for years now.)
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by gestaltist » 04 Dec 2017 09:41

I created a spreadsheet with all 8092 valid syllables of proto-Nakarian and put the modern forms next to them, checking how many of them became homophones. Now I'm expanding the spreadsheet with class prefixes, also checking what happens to monosyllabic roots after the addition of a prefix. For now, the most extreme case of homophony I found is ʟən - this form appears for 144 roots after adding the secondary prefix of Class 1 and running the sound changes.

Once done, it will help me decide which homophones to keep and which would have to be lost and/or exchanged for polysyllabic words. (Ultimately, all roots in proto-Nakarian were monosyllabic - but there would've been numerous two-word-phrases that later conflate into single polysyllabic words.)

Using formulas + SCA2 is such a time saver. And with 15 noun classes, trying to figure all of this out manually would've been a lot of work.

Wow Thrice. This is so very pretty!

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Frislander » 04 Dec 2017 14:20

So that polysynthetic language I talked abut earlier in the thread has started to get off the ground and things are going quite well so far. I've settled on the gender system (which manifests itself in the form of the oblique case and the 3rd person singular suffix), as well as some interesting things to do with the bipartite stems. I'm having particular fun using an old benefactive suffix, e.g. nep- [ŋɤp] "carry" > nep-ṣas [ŋɤpʂasʲ] "bring", th(e)-ṣas [t̪ɤʂasʲ] "give" (frozen compound) and than- [t̪aŋ] "walk (about)" > than-ṣas [t̪aŋʂasʲ] "visit".

There's some additional interesting diachronic developments with the case systems as well, whereby an original distinction between genitive and locative was lost in fvaour of the genitive in masculine and feminine nouns but the locative in the neuter, and furthermore the masculine gender split depending on whether it showed the nominative/oblique distinction by ablaut or by borrowing the feminine genitive suffix (e.g. nominative pot [pɒtʲ]/oblique pat [patʲ] "man" vs. nominative put [potʲ]/oblique putut [potʲotʲ] "woman").

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 04 Dec 2017 14:37

My conlang Ngucam now marks ergativity by heightening the tone of the first syllable.

Low tone becomes mid tone:
ḳgȅwò - pillar, absolutive
ḳgēwò - pillar, ergative

Mid tone becomes high tone:
ṭzikg - year, absolutive
ṭzíkg - year, ergative

High tone unaffected:
m̃ók - city, absolutive
m̃ók - city, ergative

Tone is nice because i'm tired of coming up with affixes.
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