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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Frislander » 04 Sep 2019 19:04

Well I've finally got round to redoing Proto-Muyan, I was really unhappy with the previous version and now I've decided I'm stripping down the verbal morphology and doing Papuan-style light verb constructions, which has been on my bucket list of things to use for ages.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by qwed117 » 09 Sep 2019 07:47

Ahzoh wrote:
03 Sep 2019 01:21
Vrkhazhian now has some new morphology:

Voices:
ṣarah (Base)
ṣarah-wəš (Instrumental, Causative)
ṣarah-ku (Adpositional, Benefactive, Dative)
ṣarah-diñ (Adjutative)

Aspects:
ʾan-ṣarah (Inchoative)

Code: Select all

Act.Sg / Act.Pl      | Pass.Sg / Pass.Pl 
nu-ṣrah / nu-ṣarh-əm | ni-ṣrəh / ni-ṣərh-əm
ṣarah / ṣarh-əm      | ṣarəh / ṣərh-əm
ṣaruh / ṣurh-əm      | ṣarih / ṣirh-əm

Code: Select all

n-an-ṣarah / n-an-ṣarh-əm | n-an-ṣarəh / n-an-ṣərh-əm
ʾan-ṣarah / ʾan-ṣarh-əm   | ʾan-ṣarəh / ʾan-ṣərh-əm
ʾan-ṣaruh / ʾan-ṣurh-əm   | ʾan-ṣarih / ʾan-ṣirh-əm

Code: Select all

nu-ṣrah-wəš / nu-ṣarh-a-wəš-əm | ni-ṣrəh-wəš / ni-ṣərh-a-wəš-əm
ṣarah-wəš / ṣarh-a-wəš-əm      | ṣarəh-wəš / ṣərh-a-wəš-əm
ṣaruh-wəš / ṣurh-a-wəš-əm      | ṣarih-wəš / ṣirh-a-wəš-əm

Code: Select all

nu-ṣrah-ku / nu-ṣarh-a-ku-m | ni-ṣrəh-ku / ni-ṣərh-a-ku-m
ṣarah-ku / ṣarh-a-ku-m      | ṣarəh-ku / ṣərh-a-ku-m
ṣaruh-ku / ṣurh-a-ku-m      | ṣarih-ku / ṣirh-a-ku-m

Code: Select all

nu-ṣrah-diñ / nu-ṣarh-a-diñ-əm | ni-ṣrəh-diñ / ni-ṣərh-a-diñ-əm
ṣarah-diñ / ṣarh-a-diñ-əm      | ṣarəh-diñ / ṣərh-a-diñ-əm
ṣaruh-diñ / ṣurh-a-diñ-əm      | ṣarih-diñ / ṣirh-a-diñ-əm
Looks stunning :mrgreen:

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 09 Sep 2019 23:14

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Post by qwed117 » 09 Sep 2019 23:20

wow that's quite pretty Ahzoh. [:O]
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Post by Lambuzhao » 14 Sep 2019 20:00

Too busy from the start of the Academic year to be too involved in any particular thing to "deep end" depth.

But I am anxiously waiting to see full episodes of "Dark Crystal: Age of Resistence". The original movie, upon which "Age of Resistence" is based, was one of the major impulses that got me into conworlding/conlanging in the first place.

But as for accomplishments, I was able to successfully trawl the Cyberspaces for a PDF of the novelization for the original movie.
I also found a website (¿twitter?) which has the main pieces of original Skekses dialogue in «Skeksish» or «Skexish» (had no idea that the language had its own name !).

Looking at the mysterious, indecipherable words from , oh, 1982, with eyes of decades of eperience in Classical Greek & other natlangs, the actual meanings of some phrases that the Lords of the Crystal and (Aughra as well) just leapt off the screen. Wow! Whoa!

My only wish, of course, was that they actually included some of these Skexish phrases in a post-Tolkien, post-Klingon, post-GOT much more conlang receptive world.

I will probably make a post of them WITH their (mostly Greek) origins at some point before the next Trine.

Hakskeekah "Let the stone decide" probably has nothing to do with any stone, but perhaps /skeekah/ refers to 'skeksis' (SG or PL)
Krakweekeh "3SG must die" ????
Hokvatta skaun Kherron ??? sounds suspiciously Baltic
Kekkon, Kekkon, Yazakaide, Akura, Kasdaw ???? Looks, sounds and feels mostly Japonic, except for 'kasdo' at the end (¿Balto-Slavic?)

Until then, Go serenely, wherever ye go!
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If you have any idears for the ???? stuff, I'd be much obliged. [:)]

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Post by Lambuzhao » 14 Sep 2019 20:05

Really, really, really REALLY would love for linguist & fantasy author Alan Garner to dig up and post some/all of his original notes on the Skeksish language on the 'Net. But, of course, great age, possible copyright infringements and/or lack of perceived public interest prolly prevent him.
[:S] [:'(]

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Post by Ælfwine » 15 Sep 2019 23:49

I figured out a solution to my long running dilemma on how to notate schwa in crimean gothic.

Schwa will be written using the "big" yer ъ (gothic: микъл єр). This has precedent in Bulgarian and OCS.

The exception is when a /j/ precedes it, then that combination is written using the "small" yer ь. This also solves the issue of writing /jə/. Although I have a grapheme for /j/, I write every combination of /j/ with a vowel with it's own character. This solves the discrepancy I had.
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Post by eldin raigmore » 17 Sep 2019 01:09

Lambuzhao wrote:
14 Sep 2019 20:05
Really, really, really REALLY would love for linguist & fantasy author Alan Garner to dig up and post some/all of his original notes on the Skeksish language on the 'Net. But, of course, great age, possible copyright infringements and/or lack of perceived public interest prolly prevent him.
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Post by Khemehekis » 26 Sep 2019 08:01

Today I coined some new Kankonian words for kinds of sweets.

phseu: marshmallow crème, marshmallow fluff
bengizhphseuar: fluffernutter (bengizh is butter of a peanut/almond/etc. in Kankonian)
dzhyudzhyu: upside-down cake
nikushar: truffle bar (any candy bar such as an U-No)
tzketa: toffee bar (any candy bar such as a Skor)
sphuta: feces pile
sphuta na tzumukh: chocolate kiss (lit. "chocolate feces pile")
khikhef: wafer bar confection (any candy bar such as a Kit-kat)
kharmeis: coconut bar (any candy bar such as a Butterfinger or Zagnut)
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Post by Dormouse559 » 01 Oct 2019 08:49

I learned recently about the word "handsel" and how one of its meanings is "first purchase/sale of the day", so I decided to get Silvish a word for that. That word is inchéta [ʔɛ̃ˈʃe.tə], a nominalization from Latin incepto.

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Post by Ælfwine » 08 Oct 2019 05:43

Dormouse559 wrote:
01 Oct 2019 08:49
I learned recently about the word "handsel" and how one of its meanings is "first purchase/sale of the day", so I decided to get Silvish a word for that. That word is inchéta [ʔɛ̃ˈʃe.tə], a nominalization from Latin incepto.
Very nice Dormouse! I like the look of inchéta a lot.
I've been tinkering with a descendant of Old Norse in North America called Vinlandic for a while now, and I have gotten the phonemic inventory via sound changes to what I wanted:

/m n/ <m n>
/p t tʃ k/ <p t č k>
/s ʃ h/ <s š h>
/r l/ <r l>
/j w/ <y w>

/i iː ĩ ĩː/ <i ī į į̄>
/e eː ẽ ẽː ə* əː ə̃ ə̃ː o oː õ õː/ <e ē ę ę̄ ø ø̄ ø̨ ø̨̄ o ō ǫ ǭ>
/a aː ã ãː/ <a ā ą ą̄>

*schwa is in fact a rounded mid vowel: [ɵ̞], but nobody is going to transcribe it like that

In comparison, this is Old Norse:

/m n (ŋ)/
/pʰ b tʰ d kʰ g/
/f (v) θ (ð) s (ɣ) h/
/r l/
/j w/

/i iː ĩ ĩː y yː ỹ ỹː u uː ũ ũː/
/e eː ẽ ẽ ø øː ø̃ ø̃ː o oː õ õː/
/ɛ ɛː ɛ̃ ɛ̃ː a aː ã ãː ɔ ɔː ɔ̃ ɔ̃ː/

How did I get here you ask? The biggest sound changes below:

/θ/ merges with its plosive equivalent. (everywhere except Iceland)
/f/ debuccalizes to /h/ (Nowhere in Norse, but I reasoned an Innu or Basque substrate could have caused this, as those languages lacked /f/)
Former nasal vowels are lost (everywhere except central Sweden)
Voiced fricatives become glides. (Faroese)
Voiced plosives are devoiced. (Icelandic, Faroese)
Palatalization of /k/ and /sk/ to /tʃ/ and /ʃ/ before front vowels and with /j/. (Faroese, Norn)
Itacism of front rounded vowels. (Icelandic)
Diphthongization of all long vowels. (Many Norse dialects)
Aspiration is lost.
/u/ lowers while /o/ and /ɔ/ become central. (Latter has analogues in most dialects, i.e. ɔ,o > ɞ in central Sweden.)
/r/, /l/ and /n/ are deleted in syllable coda. The former causes the preceding vowel to lengthen and the latter causes nasalization. (Various continental dialects have some form of this.)

The fact that it looks Algonquin is a feature, not a bug. :)
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Post by DesEsseintes » 08 Oct 2019 09:00

Ælfwine wrote:
08 Oct 2019 05:43
The fact that it looks Algonquin is a feature, not a bug. :)
Anything Algonquian is a bug, said no one with taste ever. [;)]

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Post by Dormouse559 » 12 Oct 2019 19:45

Ælfwine wrote:
08 Oct 2019 05:43
Very nice Dormouse! I like the look of inchéta a lot.
That's great to hear! It was so gratifying to realize Latin just happened to have a word meaning "to begin" that it had shifted toward "to begin business". And Romance languages had inherited it, albeit with different definitions. Made my job a lot easier. [:D]

Ælfwine wrote:I've been tinkering with a descendant of Old Norse in North America called Vinlandic for a while now, and I have gotten the phonemic inventory via sound changes to what I wanted:
Good job! If you happen to have a few examples of reflexes, it'd be cool to see them.

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Post by Ælfwine » 13 Oct 2019 02:39

Dormouse559 wrote:
12 Oct 2019 19:45
Ælfwine wrote:
08 Oct 2019 05:43
Very nice Dormouse! I like the look of inchéta a lot.
That's great to hear! It was so gratifying to realize Latin just happened to have a word meaning "to begin" that it had shifted toward "to begin business". And Romance languages had inherited it, albeit with different definitions. Made my job a lot easier. [:D]

Ælfwine wrote:I've been tinkering with a descendant of Old Norse in North America called Vinlandic for a while now, and I have gotten the phonemic inventory via sound changes to what I wanted:
Good job! If you happen to have a few examples of reflexes, it'd be cool to see them.
This is somewhat outdated and therefore "wrong" on many parts, but a straight conversion of Norse to Vinlandic from a Faroese poem:

Niri īčīnǫ hā lēhtarānī hąka wak ītį piryayi, lwąkri niri, hā čēmānī čāla, opahtō čōhpari, ǫtī itēnonǫ hā plįto irōnā hāta tī hayani kǫ hą. Hramičis riht hą ī čihtonǫ, ī hrahkanǫ sǫ lōtā aw šikā wak ęsimi, hąsara hakra pwąhka wąkamānaląt, hit čihnahta ī wahkara pwāhmįtǫ. Takānī wāro parakrahā nahtōnā wā hįkrā krītī ǫ riklō, miwā ayrī pīto prī om āyī. Rēhti hā prī mīlō lwāt ī hǫčaw ā. Rohkā hyā intīlītwīlo ilihtoni, wąhkāsōlō, hālohōlō, ihtątihōlō, ēšini aw kālēhka til sīht mwāwōmā, lōtorī ā ęsimi wak sikā riht hramičis ī čihtonō.

No gloss just yet. An error includes piryayi, it should be pīwayi, as loss of coda liquids happen before lenition, and it this particular word I decided /w/ instead of /j/ for the first glide due to disassimilation. (I think the source of this word is something like *birđađi or the sort. Unfortunately I did not translate this so I have no idea what the original word was.)

Nonetheless this is roughly the aesthetic I am going for.
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Post by LinguoFranco » 04 Nov 2019 00:38

Well, I finally made some progress on Orundi (night have to change the name since I now realize that it is incompatible with my phonology).

I've settled on using the direct-inverse alignment.

As for allophony, /h/ becomes /ç/ when palatalized and when it occurs before a high vowel such as /i/ or /u/. I might extend this kind of sound change to some of my other consonants.

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Post by Ahzoh » 05 Nov 2019 23:22

Completely revamped Vrkhazhian phonology again, so now there are no palatal consonants (except /j/) and the vowels are /a a: e e: i i: u u:/

There is a core distinction between indicative mood and subjunctive mood, which is now indicated on the verb instead of the noun. The subjunctive affix is primarily -āh but is affected by vowel mutation and assimilation rules. There is also the morpheme -ess which indicates anaphoric reference and the subjects of relative clauses.

I made some sentences which shows how the subjunctive might be used:

Śāman nessagśēhem Hāḳālu ne hūk ʾāmāk nuṣābem.
The women, may they be cursed by Hakala, killed my sister.

ʾāmā naśā bī ḳu ʾessālāh.
I want to see her.

ʾāmā naśā bī śe ʾāmāk bēdu pālāh.
I want you to give me the book.

Māy śan dewu ṣēhu ṗatśūkkūm zēbbāwa (maha) śan śim śun zubwakūm.
If you may come here again (therefore/then) you will not go/return home.
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Post by Khemehekis » 07 Nov 2019 14:16

Yesterday I coined over a hundred new Kankonian words.

Things we can now say in Kankonian include:

ask-hupiyi: siphonophore (ask, colony + hupiyi, hydra)
halmazin: to fight to the death (hal-, prefix for all + mazin, to fight)
ezgrin halmazini: holy war (Internet/PAIMO fight over a religious or political issue) (ezgrin, war; halmazin + -i, adjective-forming suffix)
hohar: boom (to control the flow of logs)
khitrugh: gelignite, blasting gelatin
suda: a medicine taken to counteract the toxic effects of stimulants (borrowed from a language of Nexon or Pluos)
tzikwas: a medicine taken to counteract the toxic effects of depressants (borrowed from a language of Nexon or Pluos)
tzemauvarass: liquid (of a commodity) (tzemau, to sell, sale + varass, stable)
tzemauwasishezi: illiquid (tzemau + wasishezi, unstable)
danteloiko: atomicity (number of atoms in a molecule) (dan, atom + teloiko, quantity, count)
sheltshtanzes: in-laws (mashup of ashelti, spouse, wife, husband + eshtanz, relative + -es, plural suffix)
ader: visit (noun) (ablaut on adir, the verb to visit)
ghuba: post (appointed position)
ip: qubit (borrowing from a language of Keitel)
mikzai: almond milk
niknetzi: peanutty
babiksu Amadzhik: Arabian oryx, white oryx (babiksu, oryx; Amadzhik, Amadian (Amadia being a country on ancient Kankonia)
nehulizbabiksu: scimitar oryx (nehuliz, unicorn + babiksu)
apo'izuk: apo'izuk, spear oryx (Junsuvian oryx with spear-like tips at the ends of its horns) (borrowed from a language of Junsu)
bauboush: steppe bison
kmuyu: daub
brukhs: to stub (remove a tree)
khatshi: munchable, snackable
kaki: jitney (minibus)
Autoer: Autö (sunken island in Povoian mythology) (borrowed from Povoian, obviously)
Atlantis: Atlantis (borrowed from Earth)
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels

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Post by Pabappa » 07 Nov 2019 23:20

Im dipping into old sound changes I wrote in 2007 to make a few new sister languages of Pabappa spoken in the rural, underpopulated eastern areas of Paba. I had actually forgotten that they were under Pabap control because they play very little role in the story .... and while the majority of the population lives in the west, there may well be more linguistic diversity in the east since there is less internal migration where the people are poorer and more tied to their land.

Pabappa as it was from 2004-2007 would be instantly recognizable even today because of its phonology, but there were subtle differences that neither Pabappa nor Poswa express today. For example, "mouthful" words like pfumpti "dormitory" are not found in either language as I have them today because I've done a lot of sound changes and selective culling of vocabulary.

That is, while a word like /pfumpti/ would be legal in Poswa, only five Poswa words begin with /pf/, and only seven contain /mpt/; these categories do not overlap. Likewise in Pabappa I've pruned out words that don't fit the aesthetic I want for it, which is to have mostly but not entirely CV(m|p) syllables. But there's beauty in the "mouthful" words too, and although I won't ever have time to bring these sister languages up to the level of development of Pabappa and Poswa, I will enjoy what I can get out of them, and might draw a map with all the placenames in the native languages of the area.
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Post by DesEsseintes » 09 Nov 2019 16:17

After resketching Middle Híí the other day I quite accidentally started reviewing Old Híí. I promptly threw away the messy old version and settled on a new, much reduced phonology with much more interesting - albeit still very simple - phonotactics. I’m very pleased with the emerging look and feel of the language. It draws on several things I’ve wanted to do lately, not least a bit of aesthetic inspiration from the conlang Akiatu by akam chinjir on the ZBB. Here is a small aesthetic sample:

iinjaqqu aarįstiihpa mi’unta jappu jaastwiru nįnkrawaaru ha’uraahta karwaa’arįsįstuu iiprįnaraa

Cute. [:D]

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Post by KaiTheHomoSapien » 09 Nov 2019 20:44

I'm in the middle of revising too (it's a fairly minor revision but should streamline and organize it better and eliminate some dead-ends in the morphology). Lihmelinyan 2.0 should be out soon :)

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