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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ossicone » 14 May 2011 18:18

Changed the time scale of Inyauk-Amjati world (I should give it a name but whatever). This will give more room for when I get to future Inyauk.

The Inyauk will count their years from the formation of the Imperial government. The result of their most recent civil war*.
Inyauk Civil War = 0
Currently = Year 80
Equivalent ≈ 1500

And I don't have time to do the Amjati scale now.

*Well they're not really civil wars because each region/clan was considered separate. But I like calling them this anyway.

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Post by Xing » 14 May 2011 20:26

(1) I started working on the PDL - Pink Dragon Language...

(2) Scrapped the plural articles in Wattētexu, and made the non-specific articles optional.

Ta taka - "a man/the man" (specific)
Taka - "(the) men"
(Me) taka - "(some) man/men"

I have also been thinking about whether I should have articles for proper name or not.

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Post by eldin raigmore » 14 May 2011 20:32

Micamo wrote:Came up with another idea today. Here's my thought process:

Suppose we define morphological case marking as a morpheme on a dependent whose presence is triggered by its binding with a head, such that the morpheme agrees with the head. This nicely handles instances like Finnish's "to marry" vs. "to fuck", which are distinguished only by that the former takes the accusative case while the latter takes the partitive. (Really, thinking about this case and how it could be explained by a deeper structure was one of my main inspirations for the idea.)

Needless to say this is probably not how case actually works. Among the least of the problems:

1. If true, this would seemingly predict that a language with case should also have adjectives agree with their head nouns, as well as having adverbs agree with verbs. (As, under this conception, an object needing to take the accusative is much the same thing as an adjective needing an agreement morpheme with its noun.) Yet, as far as I know, adjectival agreement is unconnected with the presence of case and adverbial agreement simply does not exist.

2. How can this framework deal with asymmetric case inventories? If all the information needed to know about what case the dependent needs to be in is contained within the head, then how are instances like English's objective case in pronouns even *possible*?

3. This does not seem to bode well with polyexponential case, a defining feature of the Indo-European family (or at least, its early members). Considering the case affix present is a property of the head, not a property of the dependent, I would think they would be quite resistant to fusion. Of course the obvious excuse that comes to mind is that polyexponential case is rare outside of Europe, but it still bothers me quite a bit.

However, despite all of this, I still think the idea of Case-as-Agreement is worthy of further consideration.


According the book "Studies on Agreement" that I'm reading right now, that is Chomsky's (2000) idea and is the idea the generativists are using right now.

When a Spec and its Head make up a "case-assigning" node, the time when one of them could get assigned its case is also the time when the other one could be made to agree with it.

That is, the item that (optionally) gets assigned case controls the (optional) agreement, and the item that (optionally) assigns the case is the target of the agreement -- it may get marked with some of the "phi-features" (whatever those are) of the other item.

(Later in the production of the utterance, the Spec and the Head may be moved from each other. Even if they're not, further elaboration of either of them may cause more material to be inserted between them.)

Unfortunately I do not fully understand generativist literature, because they use so many abbreviations they never explain, and so much in-group-jargon ("phi-features"? what the heck?) they never explain.

(Anyone who's been cowed and buffaloed by the terminology we use here on the CBB, would find the generativist literature even more daunting.)

Anyway, according to the book, "case-assigning" nodes are T^0 and v^0. If I understand this correctly, the T^0 is the "head-word" of the Tense phrase, and the v^0 is the "head-word" of the lightverb-phrase. (A V^0 would be a verb and would head a verb-phrase; the lowercase is important. I don't know why.)

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by taylorS » 15 May 2011 05:52

I've gotten the TAM system of my English descendant Mekoshan somewhat worked out, now I need to work out the development of the static "be" passive and the dynamic "get" passive.

Essentially I have the English Preterite being absorbed by the Perfect and the emphatic "did" past being absorbed by the pluperfect, creative a true Perfective-Imperfective aspectual distinction. The Progressive Perfect forms become a "Continuative" aspect.

Stative Verb aano "I know"

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             | Non-Past  |   Past   |
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Imperfective | aa-no     |aawo-no   |
Perfective   | aa-v-non  |aa-d-non  |
Continuative | aa-ve-no  |aa-dbe-no |
Active Verb aadeikh "I think"

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             |  Non-Past  |    Past    |
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Habitual     | aa-deikh   |            |
Imperfective | aam-deig   |aawo-deig   |
Perfective   | aa-v-doukh |aa-d-doukh  |
Continuative | aa-ve-deig |aa-dbe-deig |

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Post by Khemehekis » 15 May 2011 07:58

I added sections on prefixes and suffixes to my Kankonian page. The updated page is up now!
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Post by Nortaneous » 15 May 2011 15:23

Started work on Continental Kett. Some examples of differences between the insular and continental dialects:

language name:
I: Sérhes Kéttw [ˈseɾχɪs ˈkehtʷ]
C: Sóorreš Kéttu [ˈsôːrːɪʃ ˈketːu]

first few lines of The King and the God:

Once there was a king. He was childless.
I: Ketwlá han cékcan máru. [kɪtʷˈɫɑ χɐn‿ˈd͡zekt͡sɐm‿ˈmɑɾʊu̯]
C: Ketwlá čécank máru. [kɪtʷˈlɑ ˈt͡ʃet͡saŋk ˈmɑɾu]

He was childless.
I: Ang láncapian ullá márunge. [ɐŋ ˈɫɑnd͡zɐpʰjɐn ʊhˈɬˠɑ ˈmɑɾʊŋɪi̯]
C: Láncapen ullá márungeḩ. [ˈland͡zapɪn ulˈla ˈmaɾuŋeh]

The king wanted a son.
I: Láncakkoman cécak mebérra. [ˈɫɑnd͡zɐhkm̩ɐn‿ˈd͡zet͡sɐk mɪˈpehɾ̥ɐ]
C: Ľoórn čécak mequérra. [ˈʎǒːɾn‿ˈd͡ʒet͡sak mɪˈkʷerːa]

as far as inventory goes, here are the differences:
I:

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pʰ p t  t͡s   k 
     tʷ
   m n       ŋ
f  v s       χ h
     l  r  j 
           ɥ w

a e
C:

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p t t͡s t͡ʃ k
  tʷ        kʷ
m n     ɲ   ŋ
f s     ʃ   χ h
  l r   ʎ
        j   
        ɥ   w

a e 
aː eː oː iː yː uː
as far as consonant distribution goes, /h/ can only appear word-initially in I., and /χ/ can only appear word-initially in C.

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Post by Ossicone » 16 May 2011 05:37

I finally got around to naming the Amjati castes.

1.Vremi (Nobility)
2.Eljeki (Gentry)
3.Korsjal (Merchant)
4.Aleni (Artisan)
5.Ozjumi (Slave)

Leading to good fun times in Eratjovak:
Evek vremek esa ozjumala.
e-vek vrem-ek es-a oʑum-al-a
3m-buy.PST noble-DEF.m.ERG two-ABS slave-pl-ABS
'The noble man bought two (women) slaves.'

Eratjovak is what the Amjati call their country and it means 'the kingdom.' Eratjov is from 'king' eratj and 'rock/land' tov.

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Post by Micamo » 16 May 2011 08:25

This is something I've always wondered: Why are artists always placed so low in caste systems?
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Post by Ossicone » 16 May 2011 15:08

Because they're fucking hobos. XD

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Post by Ossicone » 17 May 2011 17:42

Working on what I hope will be a nearly complete grammar of Inyauk. New format from 'Describing Morphosyntax.' :D

If I finish this, then I won't have to touch Inyauk for a few months.

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Post by Micamo » 18 May 2011 06:12

Today I touched a phonology for the first time in forever while I was in the shower this morning. Few new allophony rules for Midhera:

Labial and coronal consonants are velarized in stressed syllables.

Vowels become voiceless in between two voiceless consonants (for this purpose, a word boundary counts as voiceless). <ata> = [ɒ̥.tḁ]

In stressed syllables, <a e i o u> are realized as [ɑ: ɛ: i: ʌ: ɯ:], in unstressed medial syllables they are realized as [a ɜ ɪ ʌ ʊ], but in unstressed open final syllables they're realized as [a ɛ i ʌ u]. (All vowel phonemes are in free variation with their rounded counterparts).

Vowels with a following /ɹ/ with another consonant or a word boundary immediately afterward elides the /ɹ/ and rhoticizes the previous vowel. <maler> [mɒː.lɜ˞], <sirnha> [si̥˞ːn̥ḁ]
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Post by cybrxkhan » 19 May 2011 04:03

So instead of continuing work on a conlang I'm already working on, I started work on another one, yet again.

This time I managed to finish a draft phonology and morphology for Proto-Itholian/Cemorian, a blatantly Latin-inspired con-protolang that will be the ancestor of all the Itholian languages... most of which are romance-inspired. Except for the one branch which is Tolkien-esque inspired.
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Post by Mbwa » 19 May 2011 04:05

got some work done on Elementian, starting to get a general idea of the phonology and syntax

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Post by Nortaneous » 24 May 2011 10:33

Gadaye > Ketas diachronics, complete with badly-written, cryptic comments that I've forgotten the meaning of. Great.

Also, holy hell these sound changes mangle everything.
s̪isʲəs̪ə > ʈiəːʢ
sʲubɔsʲə > iːɛː
sʲəbəɾət̪uɾə > ɛːɑːt̪əːʢ
s̪ufibas̪ə > ʈəːʢ
gæ̃bə > ɛ̃ʢ
sædʲudʲæ̃ > ʈɛdnɛ̃
ɬʲis̪æfæɾə > iːʈɛʢɑː
sʲæt̪æɬʲĩ > ʈɛt̪ɛ̃ː
gəsʲuɾə > kɑː
ɬ̪ægəsʲəjə > ɛːkɛɑs
χət̪ə > ɑːt̪
ɾusʲɔ̃fɔ > ʈiəːʢ
pɔbitʲæ > ɑːʈɛ
fɔɾəpũ > ɑːə̃
ɬ̪iɬəsʲəfə > ʈiːɑ

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Post by Omzinesý » 24 May 2011 18:44

I have at last made Kácitxáli verb inflection. Or I can use it. The main structure in ready.

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Post by Thakowsaizmu » 24 May 2011 18:59

So far, I have accomplished putting a tonne of stuff up for proto-Asania

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Post by Ossicone » 24 May 2011 19:36

Inyauk grammar is now well over 50 pages. :-D
*throws moar confetti*

And I need to find someone to proof read this stuff.

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Post by Ainuke » 24 May 2011 19:49

Ossicone wrote:Inyauk grammar is now well over 50 pages. :-D
*throws moar confetti*

And I need to find someone to proof read this stuff.
*head explodes*
When did this happen? Interest to see it. D:
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Post by Ossicone » 24 May 2011 19:56

Well slowly but surely I've been working on it.

It might be a while yet before I finish though. :-s

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Post by Thakowsaizmu » 25 May 2011 23:44

Orthography for Olde Asania, as well as some words and grammar stuff and more words. Yeay!

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