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Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 01 May 2011 23:08

Hey. After almost a year trying, here it is. I have a more or less working Conlang that I plan to keep. I've tried to get the sound of so many langs, it's just silly. Anyway;

=== Phonology ===
- Consonants
/p, b, t, d, k, g, s, ɕ, h, ts, tɕ, m, n, ʋ, l, r, j, p:, t:, k:, s:, m:, n:, l:, r:, kʲ, gʲ, mʲ, nʲ, lʲ, rʲ/
<p, b, t, d, k, g, s, z, h, ts, tz, m, n, v, l, r, j, pp, tt, kk, ss, mm, nn, ll, rr, kj, gj, mj, nj, lj, rj>

- Vowels
/a, e, o, i, u/
<a, e, o, i, u>

- Diphthongs
/ai, au, ei, oi, ia, ie, io, ua, ue, uo/

- Quick Phonotactics
Geminates, Palatals, Voiced Plosives, any Consonant Cluster, /h/, /ʋ/ and /j/ cannot appear word finally.
Consonant Cluster > Diphthong at the beginning of a word is disallowed.

- Stress System
Word Ends in /a, e, o, i, u, s, ɕ, m, n/: Penultimate Syllable
Word Ends in /p, t, k, ts, tɕ, r, l/: Ultimate Syllable, unless the word also begins with /p, b, t , d, k, g, ts, tɕ, h, j/, in which case, the First Syllable.


Word order is SVO, and switches to VSO in questions.

Example Sentences:
Du Dragar jomakes Sukut sena Him sera. "The Dragon throws Fire with its Breath."
Jo villos desiana! "I want a girl cat!"
Delerkas onsa Talauna, Injak! "Learn our Words, Barbarian!"
Da, En. "Yes, no."

~ Nouns ~
Spoiler:
=== Definiteness ===
Nouns, alone, are always in the indefinite article. To add any kind of definiteness, you must use a determiner.
The Definite Article, and all Demonstratives agree in the Nominative and Accusative.

Du Amjat zidikes den Joksania. "The Man sees the Numbers.
<den> - Definite Article (Accusative)
<du> - Definite Article (Nominitive)
<sam> - Distal Demonstrative (Accusative)
<set> - Distal Demonstrative (Nominitive)
<der> - Medial Demonstrative (Accusative)
<dor> - Medial Demonstrative (Nominitive)
<en> - Negative Article
<des> - Proximal Demonstrative (Accusative)
<dus> - Proximal Demonstrative (Nominitive)

=== Case ===
Case is marked by Suffix and Postposition.
Nominitive is the unmarked form.

~ Suffixes ~

- Accusative
The Accusative is used to mark the Object of a sentence. There are several ways to mark the Accusative.
Consonant + <i, u> Ending - <a>
Vowel Ending - <m>

- Dative/Lative
The Dative is used to mark the indirectly convienced. The Lative is used to mark a destination or movement toward.
Consonant Ending - <il>
Vowel Ending - <l>

- Dative2/Ablative
The Dative2 is used to mark the indirectly disconvenienced. The Ablative is used to mark movement away from.
Consonant Ending - <eva>
Vowel Ending - <va>

- Locative
The Locative is used to mark the position or place.
Consonant Ending - <op>
Vowel Ending - <rop>

- Inessive
The Inessive is used to mark the position or place on the inside of something.
Consonant Ending - <us>
Vowel Ending - <sa>

- Possessed
The Possessed is used to mark the possessed item in a sentence. Not usually used in casual speech.
Consonant Ending - <ir>
Vowel Ending - <r>

Do remember that these are able to change Stress.
== Postpositions ==

- Genitive
Used to mark relation and Ownership.
<sen>

- Subessive
Used to mark position below something.
<do>

- Superessive
Used to mark position above something.
<sue>

- Vialis
Used to mark the path/route via.
<tze>

- Benefactive
Used to mark a direct benefactor as a reason.
<por>

- Causal
Used to mark the stimulus(cause) for a situation(why it happens, not the Benefactive case).
<dem>

- Semblative
Used to mark similarity.
<avon>

- Identitive
Used to mark identicals.
<ska>

- Essive
Used to mark roles of some kind.
<naj>

- Temporal
Used to mark times or time periods.
<om>

- Antessive
Used to mark times BEFORE.
<garat>

- Afteressive
Used to mark times AFTER.
<horko>

- Oblique
Used to mark Subjects.
<lavaj>

- Intrative
Used to mark position in the middle of 2 or more things. Placed after the two things.
<besku>

- Translative
Used to mark transformation into.
<inse>

- Instrumental
Used to mark method or instrument.
<mues>

=== Plurality ===
Plurality shows that there is more than one of a Noun. It is marked before Case.

Consonant Ending - <i>
Vowel Ending - <n>
~ Verbs ~
Spoiler:
Verbs are derived from a root.

=== Aspect ===
Aspect expresses the manner in which Verbs are performed (to a small degree). It is marked with Postpositions.

<x> - Simple, Habitual
<ina> - Continuous
<jom> - Imperfect (Starting)
<lim> - Perfect (Finished)
<diri> - Frequentative


=== Tense ===
Tense expresses the time that a certain thing is done. It is marked with suffixes.

<x> - Present
<atz> - Past/Past Participle Adjective Root
<en> - Future

=== Mood ===
Mood differs the nature of the Verb. It is marked with Prefixes and Pospositions.

Opinindicative is unmarked. It expresses the opinion of the speaker, and is used most often. Unlike English, you can just say your opinion, then the next person can say a totally different opinion, and it will not be argued as incorrect.

== Prefixes ==
In Prefixes, the final Consonant is only present when the word begins with a Vowel.

- Subjunctive
This Mood is used to refer to actions that are not actually performed anywhere but in a hypothetical universe.
<ver>

- Conditional
This Mood is used to refer to actions that happen due to a stimulus.
<men>

- Jussive
This Mood is used most commonly to command, but when used on oneself or someone/something that the speaker is not conversing with, it is used to express desire or hope.
<de>

== Postpositions ==

- Potential
This Mood is used to refer to ability.
<kan>

- SuperIndicative
This Mood is used to state absolute truths. In Daljetz society, using this and being incorrect can cause you to become an 'injak' in society, at the very least.
<da>

- Probable
This Mood is used to state the most likely event.
<blos>

- Negative
This mood is used to negate Verbs.
<en>

=== Person Distinction ===
Place the Nominative suffix before the Accusative.
~ Nominative ~
1st - <o>
2nd - <a>
3rd - <e>

~ Accusative ~
1st - <k>
2nd - <r>
3rd - <s>
Unknown - <m>
Last edited by Ainuke on 08 May 2011 17:17, edited 7 times in total.
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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ossicone » 01 May 2011 23:17

injak = barbarian = ínyak ?

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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by roninbodhisattva » 01 May 2011 23:18

Yah, need a lot more information before I'm gonna comment

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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 01 May 2011 23:25

Ossicone wrote:injak = barbarian = ínyak ?

:3
Didn't think you'd be here to pick that up so quickly. ;]
And I might do the following parts in a lesson type thing.
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Post by Ossicone » 01 May 2011 23:35

Well I generally just read examples. :)
But you might want to add some glosses.

Also I assume this is supposed to be Germanic inspired but adding some goals might help us to see where you going with this lang.

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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 02 May 2011 01:36

Ossicone wrote:Well I generally just read examples. :)
But you might want to add some glosses.

Also I assume this is supposed to be Germanic inspired but adding some goals might help us to see where you going with this lang.
I really did want to do glosses: But I don't know how to do so effectively.
And yes, partly, however the inspiration actually came to me in Spain.
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Post by Ossicone » 02 May 2011 03:00

I say give it a shot anyway. If anything seems funny we'll help you fix it.

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Post by roninbodhisattva » 02 May 2011 07:25

Ainuke wrote:And I might do the following parts in a lesson type thing.
Actual grammar write ups are much better.

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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 02 May 2011 13:05

Yes. Doing that.
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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 06 May 2011 19:36

Added the Cases to the Noun section. Prepare yourself before viewing. ;P
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Post by Ossicone » 06 May 2011 19:56

:3 Amjat...

One, examples please.
Two, I'd say those postpositions are actually cases*. Unless, of course, they behave differently from the cases. If not, I'd just pick one or the other and stick with it.

So yeah, post some examples and it might clear it up for me.

*I call Inyauk postpositions postpositions because they thats how they were originally conceived. Also because a few don't have natlang equivalents (that I know of) and adpositions and case tend to fill the same function.

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Post by cybrxkhan » 06 May 2011 20:37

Ossicone wrote::3 Amjat...

One, examples please.
Two, I'd say those postpositions are actually cases*. Unless, of course, they behave differently from the cases. If not, I'd just pick one or the other and stick with it.

So yeah, post some examples and it might clear it up for me.

*I call Inyauk postpositions postpositions because they thats how they were originally conceived. Also because a few don't have natlang equivalents (that I know of) and adpositions and case tend to fill the same function.
I'd call them particles instead of postpositions, although I don't know how accurate a term that'd be - at least that's what I call them in Aidisese (since I have some particles that indicate case), and I think Japanese does something like that too, though I could be wrong.
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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 06 May 2011 20:53

Ossicone wrote::3 Amjat...

One, examples please.
Two, I'd say those postpositions are actually cases*. Unless, of course, they behave differently from the cases. If not, I'd just pick one or the other and stick with it.

So yeah, post some examples and it might clear it up for me.

*I call Inyauk postpositions postpositions because they thats how they were originally conceived. Also because a few don't have natlang equivalents (that I know of) and adpositions and case tend to fill the same function.
They ARE cases. I split the cases up into how they're marked. (:
In my mind, Suffix is part of the word, postposition is a seperate word. Same with Prefix and Preposition.
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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ear of the Sphinx » 06 May 2011 21:06

In my mind, Suffix is part of the word, postposition is a seperate word. Same with Prefix and Preposition.
Ok, but there sometimes hardly to distinguish these two.
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Re: Daljetz sen du Salar!

Post by Ainuke » 06 May 2011 22:51

Milyamd wrote:
In my mind, Suffix is part of the word, postposition is a seperate word. Same with Prefix and Preposition.
Ok, but there sometimes hardly to distinguish these two.
I know.
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Post by Micamo » 07 May 2011 02:01

Milyamd wrote:Ok, but there sometimes hardly to distinguish these two.
Here's a big reason to distinguish the two: Adpositions can undergo movement relative to their dependent, affixes cannot. Stuff like English's preposition stranding (The man who I'm standing beside) is impossible with affixes.
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Post by Ainuke » 08 May 2011 17:18

Added Verbs.
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Post by Micamo » 08 May 2011 18:00

Your conpeople sound like total non-confrontational pussies.
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Post by Ainuke » 08 May 2011 18:48

Micamo wrote:Your conpeople sound like total non-confrontational pussies.
Only to their own people.
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Post by Ossicone » 08 May 2011 18:58

You still haven't posted any examples. :-|

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