Guess The Language!!!

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by opipik » 01 Jan 2017 18:55

Tibeto-Burman?

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Frislander » 01 Jan 2017 20:39

opipik wrote:Tibeto-Burman?
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by protondonor » 16 Jan 2017 21:22

Kuki-Chin-Naga?
Kaimen Keling: Uralic goes Germanic
Kolyma Ainu: Ainu language spoken in mainland Siberia
Wetokwa: a priori, spoken in a Death Valley-like environment, former speedlang
Mañi: a Ngerupic language inspired by Oto-Manguean, Cariban, and Mataco-Guaicuruan

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Frislander » 16 Jan 2017 21:39

protondonor wrote:Kuki-Chin-Naga?
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by opipik » 16 Jan 2017 21:47

Does it have an orthography?

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Frislander » 16 Jan 2017 22:13

opipik wrote:Does it have an orthography?
Not of it's own no.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by protondonor » 17 Jan 2017 15:55

More than 10k speakers?
Kaimen Keling: Uralic goes Germanic
Kolyma Ainu: Ainu language spoken in mainland Siberia
Wetokwa: a priori, spoken in a Death Valley-like environment, former speedlang
Mañi: a Ngerupic language inspired by Oto-Manguean, Cariban, and Mataco-Guaicuruan

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Frislander » 17 Jan 2017 18:17

protondonor wrote:More than 10k speakers?
Round about that on Enthnologue.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Sglod » 17 Jan 2017 23:00

Tani?

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Frislander » 18 Jan 2017 13:44

Sglod wrote:Tani?
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Adarain » 18 Jan 2017 18:39

Just so I'm not accused of cheating, here's my process as I try to figure it out.

1. Go to Ethnologue and look at tibeto-burman langs listed there.
2. Ethnologue usefully has a list of languages sorted by language families that includes subbranches and lists what country the language is spoken in here
3. With the information given here, I can therefore ignore everything not in india, as well as the Tani and Kuki-Chin-Naga subbranches. There's of course still a shitton, but I open each language in a new tab.
4. I now go through every tab and check for number of speakers. Or, well, I would, but ethnologue is not happy with me:
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That makes things a bit more annoying.
5. I close all those tabs, Firefox informs me it was 56 of them. I go back to the original list I linked and open a second browser window. Another thing ethnologue lists is ISO 639-3 codes, which one can also search on Wikipedia, so I do just that. 56 times.
6. Wikipedia luckily has articles on every single one of those 56 languages, complete with a number of speakers sourced to Ethnologue. I can narrow it down to five languages with "around 10k speakers": Ranglong (8k), Pattani (11k + 5k L2), Takpa (12.4k, 9.1k of which in India), Zangskari (12k) and Atong (10k). Curiously, a very large amount of languages seem to have 30k or 65k speakers.
7. Assuming one of these five is the language we're looking for, I take a look at the wiki pages first to see if any of them obviously fall away:
-Atong does seem to be written, but mostly by simply writing in Garo or using its conventions. This seems to fit your description of "Not of it's own" quite well
-Zangskari is written with the tibetan script, so I can probably discard it
-Takpa appears to also be written with the tibetan script
-Pattani appears to be unwritten
-I can't find a whole lot on Ranglong but it's speculated to be Kukish, i.e. Kuki-Chin-Naga, so I can probably exclude it for now too

Based on these informations, I think Atong might be the best guess.
At kveldi skal dag lęyfa,
Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by sangi39 » 18 Jan 2017 20:11

I wouldn't consider that cheating. I'm fairly certain that several times in this thread, process of elimination has been considered generally acceptable. I've gone through similar processes, limiting the range of number of speakers, language family or geographical area based on "yes" or "no" answers, then looking at what languages within that range might fit in terms of phonology. A couple of times we've been able to guess a language based on an orthographic quirk, like a fairly unique use of a particular diacritic.

I think the only thing that's really considered cheating is copying and pasting the text into Google. Although if you claim to have near perfect reference abilities and a large collection of relatively obscure grammatical treatise *cough*Birdlang*cough*, there's a slight chance people might think you're cheating as well.

Using a database of statistics and phoneme inventories to narrow it down on your own seems to be all right [:)] And I definitely like the way you posted your method just to be on the safe side [:D]
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But it never gets any more true,
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That they all still believe in you.
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Adarain » 18 Jan 2017 20:27

I know my process wasn't cheating. But I didn't want to do all that research, say "it's probably Atong" and then be accused of cheating.
At kveldi skal dag lęyfa,
Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Frislander » 18 Jan 2017 21:38

Adarain wrote:I know my process wasn't cheating. But I didn't want to do all that research, say "it's probably Atong" and then be accused of cheating.
Well you got it right, so your turn.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Adarain » 18 Jan 2017 22:01

I've got a text ready on my computer but I've already moved to bed :/ I'll post it tomorrow afternoon when I'm back from work.
At kveldi skal dag lęyfa,
Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Adarain » 19 Jan 2017 17:32

Alright, here we go:
niguorcosam memheunaur henoid mitelu nit gurmaur
mi am [franc] dam ancalaur.

nicanãniguardam nicusam henoid cet iben med nouel
mi amfranc dam anpatel.

namercit mi nep leguenid henoid is discirr micoueidid
dou nam riceus unguetid.
The text was written like this in the source I got it from. I do not know whether it was written in this exact fashion originally.
At kveldi skal dag lęyfa,
Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by protondonor » 20 Jan 2017 05:53

Celtic?

If so, Brittonic or Continental?
Kaimen Keling: Uralic goes Germanic
Kolyma Ainu: Ainu language spoken in mainland Siberia
Wetokwa: a priori, spoken in a Death Valley-like environment, former speedlang
Mañi: a Ngerupic language inspired by Oto-Manguean, Cariban, and Mataco-Guaicuruan

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Adarain » 20 Jan 2017 06:24

Brittonic, indeed.
At kveldi skal dag lęyfa,
Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by protondonor » 20 Jan 2017 22:13

Old Welsh.

(I was just reading a book on the Celtic languages a few minutes ago, looked up some of the Old Welsh texts it mentioned, and recognized a word from your text.)
Kaimen Keling: Uralic goes Germanic
Kolyma Ainu: Ainu language spoken in mainland Siberia
Wetokwa: a priori, spoken in a Death Valley-like environment, former speedlang
Mañi: a Ngerupic language inspired by Oto-Manguean, Cariban, and Mataco-Guaicuruan

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Adarain » 20 Jan 2017 22:38

Well that was quick.
At kveldi skal dag lęyfa,
Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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