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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by GrandPiano » 25 Mar 2015 17:49

Is it Spanish?
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by qwed117 » 25 Mar 2015 21:12

If this is Americanist, then I would guess it would be Karbadian, a Caucasian Language. But I feel like the vowels would contradict me on that, so let's ask if it's Old or New World.
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by opipik » 25 Mar 2015 21:26

Is it Spanish?
Didn't you want to say Squamish?

I'll guess it is Halkomelem.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Birdlang » 26 Mar 2015 00:33

It is Klallam. Is it normally written in uppercase and lowercase?
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by sangi39 » 26 Mar 2015 00:51

Birdlang wrote:It is Klallam. Is it normally written in uppercase and lowercase?
Awesome! [:D]

As for upper case vs. lower case, from what I can tell, it uses Americanist phonetic notation, so it's predominantly lower case, but it uses upper case letters at the beginning of sentences and for the names of people and places (although this seems to be inconsistent online, but I guess that's down to the APN being used in one instance as a phonetic representation in scholarly works vs. it being used by people as an orthography, possibly being influenced by the use of capitalisation in English).

The only language I know of that exclusively uses the "upper case" (can it be considered an "upper case" without a corresponding lower case?) is Saanich.

Anyway, I look for something to post a sample of tomorrow. Almost midnight here now [:)]
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by shimobaatar » 26 Mar 2015 01:31

sangi39 wrote:Anyway, I look for something to post a sample of tomorrow. Almost midnight here now [:)]
No rush. [:)] Pleasant dreams.
sangi39 wrote:The only language I know of that exclusively uses the "upper case" (can it be considered an "upper case" without a corresponding lower case?) is Saanich.
I hadn't heard of Saanich doing this before, so I looked it up, and I must say it looks a bit strange to someone like me who isn't used to it. Part of me almost expects it to be Latin… I wonder why it's written in only "upper case" letters? Although, the third person possessive suffix is apparently written in lower case, according to Wikipedia.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by GrandPiano » 26 Mar 2015 03:27

opipik wrote:
Is it Spanish?
Didn't you want to say Squamish?
No, I mean Spanish. I don't speak Spanish, but that looks a lot like Spanish orthography to me.
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by thetha » 26 Mar 2015 03:34

I literally don't believe you.

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Post by GrandPiano » 26 Mar 2015 03:46

You're saying that <sq̓ʷiyiʔáʔən̓> doesn't look like a Spanish word?
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Post by Znex » 26 Mar 2015 05:50

GrandPiano wrote:You're saying that <sq̓ʷiyiʔáʔən̓> doesn't look like a Spanish word?
Yes, as do I. Spanish looks much more like this:
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by kanejam » 26 Mar 2015 10:28

sangi39 wrote:The only language I know of that exclusively uses the "upper case" (can it be considered an "upper case" without a corresponding lower case?) is Saanich.
Ew that is horrendous.
GrandPiano wrote:You're saying that <sq̓ʷiyiʔáʔən̓> doesn't look like a Spanish word?
I can see why you'd think that, personally I think it's more Portuguese.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by sangi39 » 26 Mar 2015 10:54

kanejam wrote:
sangi39 wrote:The only language I know of that exclusively uses the "upper case" (can it be considered an "upper case" without a corresponding lower case?) is Saanich.
Ew that is horrendous.
I know, it's awful. I assume there's some reason behind it, perhaps readability, but the use of diacritics vs. different letters seems somewhat inconsistent. Personally, I would have gone with:

p t (k̟) k̟ʷ k̠ k̠ʷ ʔ <p t (k) k° q q° '>
pʼ tʼ k̟ʷʼ k̠ʼ k̠ʷʼ <b d g° y y°>
ts tʃ <c č>
ts̪ʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ <z̧ z ź ž>
s̪ s ɬ ʃ x̟ʷ x̠ x̠ʷ h <ş s ś š h° x x° h>
m n ŋ̠ <m n ñ>
l j w <l j w>

/i (u) e ə ɑ/ <i (u) e o a>

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Prinsessa » 26 Mar 2015 13:20

sangi39 wrote:The only language I know of that exclusively uses the "upper case" (can it be considered an "upper case" without a corresponding lower case?) is Saanich.
Remembering Saanich recently, and googling it, I seemed to stumble across something indicating that it no longer uses that orthography but a more sensible one with lowercase. Is this true?

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by GrandPiano » 26 Mar 2015 13:51

What's wrong with using only capital letters? Latin did it.
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Prinsessa » 26 Mar 2015 13:56

GrandPiano wrote:What's wrong with using only capital letters? Latin did it.
The fact that it actually doesn't. It uses all capitals except for one morpheme, <s> (which interestingly seems to be some kind of genitive marker just like the English -s), which is written in lowercase.

But it really isn't the capitals that make Saanich awful; it's the bizarre diacritics and unconventional uses of some letters.

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by GrandPiano » 26 Mar 2015 13:59

Prinsessa wrote:
GrandPiano wrote:What's wrong with using only capital letters? Latin did it.
The fact that it actually doesn't. It uses all capitals except for one morpheme, <s> (which interestingly seems to be some kind of genitive marker just like the English -s), which is written in lowercase.

But it really isn't the capitals that make Saanich awful; it's the bizarre diacritics and unconventional uses of some letters.
But bizarre diacritics are fun. t.t

As for unconventional uses of some letters, check out the language you're typing in.
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by Prinsessa » 26 Mar 2015 14:15

GrandPiano wrote:
Prinsessa wrote:
GrandPiano wrote:What's wrong with using only capital letters? Latin did it.
The fact that it actually doesn't. It uses all capitals except for one morpheme, <s> (which interestingly seems to be some kind of genitive marker just like the English -s), which is written in lowercase.

But it really isn't the capitals that make Saanich awful; it's the bizarre diacritics and unconventional uses of some letters.
But bizarre diacritics are fun. t.t
Consider the fact that I am not considering Vietnamese bizarre. From that viewpoint, Saanich is bizarre. That's really bizarre.
GrandPiano wrote:As for unconventional uses of some letters, check out the language you're typing in.
But in English it's a result of history. For Saanich someone actually made it like that consciously. :(
Wikipedia wrote:The Saanich orthography was created by Dave Elliott in 1978
Seriously, it has <Ⱥ> for /ej/ instead of just writing flippin' <ej> (or <ei> or <ey>).

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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by sangi39 » 26 Mar 2015 17:40

Anyway, hopefully moving on from the eyesore that is Saanich, have a go at this:

/ŋanina ulʲlʲaʔutkuʔuttək nanillitətkənina/
/qəlʲippə tətukki ɣeqəmaslata amalka/
/ənannə ɣəmmə inaɣale/
/tita:qa qutkinʲnʲaqunak maŋki:ʔana ɣalaʔulin ənnəʔən/
/ɣanvəlin qutkinʲnʲaqunak təlɣəlŋən ŋantiŋ/
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by GrandPiano » 26 Mar 2015 17:44

kanejam wrote:
sangi39 wrote:
GrandPiano wrote:You're saying that <sq̓ʷiyiʔáʔən̓> doesn't look like a Spanish word?
I can see why you'd think that, personally I think it's more Portuguese.
Actually, now that I look at it again, I'm thinking it looks more like Korean.
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Re: Guess The Language!!!

Post by opipik » 26 Mar 2015 20:16

I guess Inuktitut.

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