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by GrandPiano » 31 Mar 2018 21:55
化石 faa3sek6 "fossil" -

"fossil"
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by GrandPiano » 02 Apr 2018 03:25

Okinawan
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Japanese
一 ichi "one"
(The Okinawan word is actually cognate to Japanese 五つ
itsutsu, which has the same meaning)
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by Znex » 12 Apr 2018 13:23
obrigado vs.
ありがとう arigatō "thank you"
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by k1234567890y » 12 Apr 2018 16:22
Khemehekis wrote: ↑29 Jul 2013 06:36
If /m/ is a typical first consonant and /t/ a typical second consonant, speakers all around the world would think /m/ the most natural sound for a first-person pronoun and /t/ the most natural sound for a second-person pronoun.
Another possibility is that the pattern of having /m/ as the initial consonant of the 1st pronoun singular and /t/ as the initial consonant of the 2nd pronoun singular is because they are really cognates, either the similarities were formed by borrowing(the borrowing of singular pronouns is not common, but it might have happened, it is claimed that the whole pronoun system of Piraha might be a borrowing from Nheengatu) or that they had a very old common ancestor which is impossible to reconstruct.
Besides the /m/ as the initial consonant of the 1st pronoun singular and /t/ as the initial consonant of the 2nd pronoun singular thing, which is basically a northern Eurasian thing, there's another pattern of personal pronouns which existed among aboriginal languages of the west coast of the Americans: /n/ as a part of the 1st pronoun singular and /m/ as a part of the 2nd pronoun singular
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by Creyeditor » 12 Apr 2018 20:50
Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.
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by k1234567890y » 13 Apr 2018 01:01
Creyeditor wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018 20:50
Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.
nice (:
back to false cognates, maybe the Papuan 1st /n/-pronouns and the American 1st /n/-pronouns can be an example of false cognates?
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by Creyeditor » 13 Apr 2018 10:10
We should find concrete examples then, probably
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by Shemtov » 13 Apr 2018 20:38
k1234567890y wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 01:01
Creyeditor wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018 20:50
Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.
nice (:
back to false cognates, maybe the Papuan 1st /n/-pronouns and the American 1st /n/-pronouns can be an example of false cognates?
Also, Semitic and other families placed in Afro-Asiatic have /n/ 1P and /k/ 2P, though Semitic alternates with /t/ or /nt/ /k/ being the enclitic form, though Neo-Aramaic, and divergent Arabic Dialects use /t͡ʃ/ and some Ethiopic languages use /h/.
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by k1234567890y » 13 Apr 2018 20:45
Shemtov wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 20:38
Also, Semitic and other families placed in Afro-Asiatic have /n/ 1P and /k/ 2P, though Semitic alternates with /t/.
wow, that's really a big coincidence.
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by Shemtov » 13 Apr 2018 20:51
Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.
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by k1234567890y » 13 Apr 2018 21:06
Shemtov wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 20:51
Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.
maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?
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by Shemtov » 13 Apr 2018 21:25
k1234567890y wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 21:06
Shemtov wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 20:51
Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.
maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?
P stands the "Person", not Plural.
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by k1234567890y » 13 Apr 2018 22:00
Shemtov wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 21:25
k1234567890y wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 21:06
Shemtov wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018 20:51
Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.
maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?
P stands the "Person", not Plural.
ok
sorry for misunderstanding
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by Shemtov » 07 May 2018 01:54

/wa/. Both mean "and", though the

form alternates with, and may be a shortening of /kwa/.
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by KaiTheHomoSapien » 07 May 2018 19:45
Just learned that
heather and
heath are not cognates. That's surprising.
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by eldin raigmore » 08 May 2018 06:55
KaiTheHomoSapien wrote: ↑07 May 2018 19:45
Just learned that
heather and
heath are not cognates. That's surprising.
They seem to be saying that they _may_ be unrelated; not that they definitely _are_ unrelated.
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by Creyeditor » 08 May 2018 07:58
German '(und) dann' and Indonesian 'dan' both can be used to introduce sentences whose events temporally follow the events of the preceding sentence.
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by GrandPiano » 21 May 2018 19:06
Shemtov wrote: ↑07 May 2018 01:54

/wa/. Both mean "and", though the

form alternates with, and may be a shortening of /kwa/.
Adding on to this, apparently
wa means “and” in Ainu as well.
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by Lao Kou » 09 Jun 2018 13:13

suka,

好き suki "like"
☯ 道可道,非常道
☯ 名可名,非常名
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by Khemehekis » 09 Jun 2018 21:48

淡褐色 dàn hèsè /

hazel
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Squirrels chase koi . . . chase squirrels
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