False cognates

[GrandPiano]

化石 faa3sek6 "fossil" - "fossil"

[GrandPiano]

Okinawan 五ち ichichi "five" (with counter) - Japanese 一 ichi "one"

(The Okinawan word is actually cognate to Japanese 五つ itsutsu, which has the same meaning)

[Znex]

obrigado vs. ありがとう arigatō "thank you"

[k1234567890y]

If /m/ is a typical first consonant and /t/ a typical second consonant, speakers all around the world would think /m/ the most natural sound for a first-person pronoun and /t/ the most natural sound for a second-person pronoun.

Another possibility is that the pattern of having /m/ as the initial consonant of the 1st pronoun singular and /t/ as the initial consonant of the 2nd pronoun singular is because they are really cognates, either the similarities were formed by borrowing(the borrowing of singular pronouns is not common, but it might have happened, it is claimed that the whole pronoun system of Piraha might be a borrowing from Nheengatu) or that they had a very old common ancestor which is impossible to reconstruct.

Besides the /m/ as the initial consonant of the 1st pronoun singular and /t/ as the initial consonant of the 2nd pronoun singular thing, which is basically a northern Eurasian thing, there's another pattern of personal pronouns which existed among aboriginal languages of the west coast of the Americans: /n/ as a part of the 1st pronoun singular and /m/ as a part of the 2nd pronoun singular

[Creyeditor]

Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.

[k1234567890y]

Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.

nice (:

back to false cognates, maybe the Papuan 1st /n/-pronouns and the American 1st /n/-pronouns can be an example of false cognates?

[Creyeditor]

We should find concrete examples then, probably

[Shemtov]

Also a Papuan thing (across family boundaries IIRC) is n- for the first person and k- for the second person.

nice (:

back to false cognates, maybe the Papuan 1st /n/-pronouns and the American 1st /n/-pronouns can be an example of false cognates?

Also, Semitic and other families placed in Afro-Asiatic have /n/ 1P and /k/ 2P, though Semitic alternates with /t/ or /nt/ /k/ being the enclitic form, though Neo-Aramaic, and divergent Arabic Dialects use /t͡ʃ/ and some Ethiopic languages use /h/.

[k1234567890y]

Also, Semitic and other families placed in Afro-Asiatic have /n/ 1P and /k/ 2P, though Semitic alternates with /t/.

wow, that's really a big coincidence.

[Shemtov]

Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.

[k1234567890y]

Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.

maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?

[Shemtov]

Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.

maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?

P stands the "Person", not Plural.

[k1234567890y]

Though Akkadian seems to have dropped the /k/ enclitic forms for only /t/, while /k/ became the 1P enclitic.

maybe the 2S enclitic form and the 1P enclitic form have different etymologies?

P stands the "Person", not Plural.

ok

sorry for misunderstanding

[Shemtov]

/wa/. Both mean "and", though the form alternates with, and may be a shortening of /kwa/.

[KaiTheHomoSapien]

Just learned that heather and heath are not cognates. That's surprising.

[eldin raigmore]

Just learned that heather and heath are not cognates. That's surprising.

They seem to be saying that they _may_ be unrelated; not that they definitely _are_ unrelated.

[Creyeditor]

German '(und) dann' and Indonesian 'dan' both can be used to introduce sentences whose events temporally follow the events of the preceding sentence.

[GrandPiano]

/wa/. Both mean "and", though the form alternates with, and may be a shortening of /kwa/.

Adding on to this, apparently wa means “and” in Ainu as well.

[Lao Kou]

suka, 好き suki "like"

[Khemehekis]

淡褐色 dàn hèsè / hazel