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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 10 Jun 2018 05:58

Birdlang wrote:
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Shemtov wrote:
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:pol: <być>/bɨt͡ɕ/ "To be" :eng: Bitch
:lat: :esp: :ita: :por: Zona :rus: зона [zonə] "Zone" vs. :isr: [zona] "Whore"
:rus: сука /suka/ "Bitch" vs. :isr: /suka/ "Ritual hut for the Feast of Tabernacles"
Pal. :arab: /ʔe:ʃ/ "What" :isr: /ʔeɪʃ/ "fire"
:kor: -니다 [ɲida] "POL.DEC" :isr: /nida/ "Menstruating woman"
To add to the Russian one. :idn: suka means like.
:fin: :lva: <suka> "Currycomb" :phl: Cebuano <suka>"Vomit" Tagalog <suka> "Vinegar> :zaf: Zulu <suka> "To leave" "To come from" :que: <suka> "furrow" "Whistle" :ind: Pali सुक /suka/ "Parrot"
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by All4Ɇn » 10 Jun 2018 07:30

Shemtov wrote:
10 Jun 2018 05:58
Birdlang wrote:
08 Jun 2018 11:32
To add to the Russian one. :idn: suka means like.
:fin: :lva: <suka> "Currycomb" :phl: Cebuano <suka>"Vomit" Tagalog <suka> "Vinegar> :zaf: Zulu <suka> "To leave" "To come from" :que: <suka> "furrow" "Whistle" :ind: Pali सुक /suka/ "Parrot"
:jpn: スカ suka "ska"

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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Aszev » 10 Jun 2018 18:00

Imralu wrote:
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Like the way "liberal" means libertarian in Europe, but refers to someone on the anterior top left of a Vosem Chart (socially permissive, favoring Big Government on fiscal issues, against corporate personhood) in the U.S.?
I thought it was more the other way around
When talking ideology, I generally tend to interpret American 'liberal' as European 'social-democrat' or perhaps 'social-liberal'.

I wouldn't agree that 'liberal' means 'libertarian' in Europe, but maybe it depends on where you are, as the political landscape is far from homogenous. In Sweden we usually call libertarians nyliberaler (i.e. 'new liberals').
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 10 Jun 2018 23:02

Aszev wrote:
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When talking ideology, I generally tend to interpret American 'liberal' as European 'social-democrat' or perhaps 'social-liberal'.

I wouldn't agree that 'liberal' means 'libertarian' in Europe, but maybe it depends on where you are, as the political landscape is far from homogenous. In Sweden we usually call libertarians nyliberaler (i.e. 'new liberals').
Which I find interesting, because libertarians stateside try to ally themselves with the GOP, which is mostly conservative. The libertarian candidate last election tried to position himself as a PC alternative to Trump, to appeal to Right-leaning moderates, but he's nuttier then Trump mixed with Carson on acid. There is also a school of political philosophy here called "Libertarian Conservatism" who are conservatives that take influence, to varying degrees, from libertarian political philosophy. Reagan is considered the prime example. When Ron Paul ran for president, he tried to position himself as such, even though I think he's very much a Weak Conservative Libertarian (A Libertarian that takes light influence from conservatism), as did his son, Rand, who IMO toes the line between being a Strong Conservative Libertarian and a Strong Libertarian Conservative (Reagan was a Mid-Weak Libertarian Conservative)
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Khemehekis » 13 Jun 2018 07:48

I remember a lot of libertarian (with a lower-case l) Millennials voting for Ron Paul in the 2008 and 2012 primaries. (In the 2016 election, they went with Gary Johnson, the Libertarian (with a capital L) candidate).

What I'd really like to see is an American candidate who is socially leftist, fiscally rightist, and leftist on corporate issues.
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by GrandPiano » 16 Jun 2018 17:57

:kor: 사과 sagwa “apple” - :chn: 傻瓜 shǎguā “fool” (pronounced sǎguā in many dialects)
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 20 Jun 2018 00:58

Palestinian :ara: /fəkkər/ "Thought (verb)" :eng: "Fucker"
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 26 Jun 2018 18:48

:deu: Kapital "(economic) capital" Kapitel "Chapter" Judeo-:eng:/kaˈpɪtl̩/"A Psalm"

:deu: Jahreszeit "Season" Yiddish and Judeo-:eng: /jortseit/ "anniversary of a Relative or Righteous person's death"
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Iyionaku » 27 Jun 2018 12:23

Shemtov wrote:
26 Jun 2018 18:48
:deu: Kapital "(economic) capital" Kapitel "Chapter" Judeo-:eng:/kaˈpɪtl̩/"A Psalm"

:deu: Jahreszeit "Season" Yiddish and Judeo-:eng: /jortseit/ "anniversary of a Relative or Righteous person's death"
What is even more confusing, especially for a lot of German students of English:

:eng: capital vs. German Kapitel (chapter).
Children in Germany normally don't know the word "Kapital" when they hear about capital first.
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 02 Jul 2018 00:12

Yiddish /vulkans/ "clouds" :eng: Vulcans
This made me laugh, as I didn't know the Yiddish word, but the rest of the sentence it occurred in in my Yiddish learning book "The sky is full with" I could understand, and the new word /vulkans/ made me laugh, even though the word was in the vocab ("The sky is full of Vulcans")
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by All4Ɇn » 02 Jul 2018 00:30

Iyionaku wrote:
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What is even more confusing, especially for a lot of German students of English:

:eng: capital vs. German Kapitel (chapter).
Children in Germany normally don't know the word "Kapital" when they hear about capital first.
And I'm sure :eng: capitol ~ :deu: Kapitol makes it even more confusing

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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

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Yiddish /vulkans/ "clouds" :eng: Vulcans
This made me laugh, as I didn't know the Yiddish word, but the rest of the sentence it occurred in in my Yiddish learning book "The sky is full with" I could understand, and the new word /vulkans/ made me laugh, even though the word was in the vocab ("The sky is full of Vulcans")
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 04 Jul 2018 02:57

clawgrip wrote:
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Yiddish /vulkans/ "clouds" :eng: Vulcans
This made me laugh, as I didn't know the Yiddish word, but the rest of the sentence it occurred in in my Yiddish learning book "The sky is full with" I could understand, and the new word /vulkans/ made me laugh, even though the word was in the vocab ("The sky is full of Vulcans")
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Actually, since Nimoy took the salute from a Jewish ceremony, and it's a Yiddish book, I assume they want to know how it's logical that a Terran culture happened to regard the same gesture their whole planet does as sacred.
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Znex » 06 Jul 2018 07:51

It's about as logical as there being a whole planet having a culture very closely resembling Nazi Germany.
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 06 Jul 2018 21:27

Znex wrote:
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It's about as logical as there being a whole planet having a culture very closely resembling Nazi Germany.
IIRC, when they encountered a planet that was undergoing a similar thing to the Cold War at the time the Episode came out, Kirk notes that he learned in History that during said war, a group of Americans anda group of Chinese communists disappeared, and Spock says logically, it must be that they were transported to this planet. I assume the same logic applies to the Nazi Planet and the Roman Planet, just Terrans didn't notice the disappearance.
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by clawgrip » 09 Jul 2018 04:25

Shemtov wrote:
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I assume the same logic applies to the Nazi Planet and the Roman Planet, just Terrans didn't notice the disappearance.
Guys, watch the episode! They definitely did notice. A Starfleet historian was on an official observation mission on the planet, but then he broke the prime directive and tried to bring order to their chaotic society by emulating the efficiency of the Nazi system. He tried to make them good Nazis, but as you would expect, he failed, and they turned into regular old bad Nazis.

The Roman planet is just randomly Roman, though.

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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Alessio » 12 Jul 2018 19:24

This one just came to my mind.

In English, cool /kuːl/ is something you'd definitely like being.
In many Gallo-Italic languages, instead, cûl /kuːl/ is... well, your butt.
So if you are speaking to an elder in northern Italy, avoid telling him that he's cool using the English word (which is also a loanword in Italian, to make things funnier).
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Shemtov » 13 Jul 2018 19:23

:ara: /ʃiʕa/ "Branch of Islam" Yiddish and Judeo-English /ʃiʔa/ "nickname for /jɪhoʃuʔa/ or /jɪhojʃiʔa/ 'Joshua'"
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Khemehekis » 16 Jul 2018 04:16

Shemtov wrote:
04 Jul 2018 02:57
Actually, since Nimoy took the salute from a Jewish ceremony, and it's a Yiddish book, I assume they want to know how it's logical that a Terran culture happened to regard the same gesture their whole planet does as sacred.
Funny. I've had people tell me that my hand, when I wave at them as a greeting, looks like the Leonard Nimoy gesture from Star Trek. (My fingers unintentionally tend to stick together into three clumps.) Considering that's the shin-for-shalom sign, maybe it's just my Jewish roots unconsciously influencing my hand.
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Re: False friends and other unfortunate coincidences

Post by Zé do Rock » 16 Jul 2018 13:12

EUROPAN

Na jerga brasilera, 'cuca' signifi 'cabeza', na jerga colombiana (e de los países vicinos) signifi 'vagin'. Daí una brasilera vai pra Colombia, vira una cantora famosa e é intervistee:
"Wi connten Si in Columbia so fil success han?"
"I used mai cuca!"
"Oh, je vois..."

Ah si: na sud de Brasil, 'cuca' signifi 'torta', af el alemao 'kuchen'...

ENGLISH HOUSE STILE

In brazilian slang, 'cuca' meens 'hed, nob', in colombian slang (and in the naboring countries) it meens 'vagina'. So a brazilian woman goes to Colombia, becomes a famous singer and is intervewd:
"How come you wer so successful in Colombia?"
"I used my 'cuca'!"
"Oh, i see..."

In soudern Brazil, on the other hand, 'cuca' meens 'cake', from german 'kuchen'.

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