If natlangs were conlangs

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by DesEsseintes » 15 Feb 2017 04:58

Znex wrote:
All4Ɇn wrote:
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All4Ɇn wrote:I mean if you're going to have a heavily Chinese influenced conlang, complete with tones and everything, at least have the audacity to use Chinese characters like that Japanese one.
They tried and it worked fairly well, but the creator must have chickened out, what with all the effort it would have taken.
At least they tried being creative with it what with all the new characters for words that already had Chinese characters
I've always been a fan of this Chinese-influenced script. The creator didn't feel like they had to stick with pictographs; they just made their own from bits and pieces and forcing character parts together. The Chinese conlanger would look at it with complete horror, but I think it just ends up being such an interesting deconstruction and creative way to work with a predecessor conscript.
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Egerius » 15 Feb 2017 09:46

Frislander wrote:And instead of creating something truly unique when it came to the conworld they just had all of the languages become endangered due to British imperialism. Really? England conquered an entire continent? Seems unlikely
Don't even get me started on Poland... :mrred:
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by LinguoFranco » 17 Feb 2017 03:49

Basque, a language, despite being so close to Spain is almost nothing like Spanish except for the vowels. How did you do it, Basque? How?

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by GrandPiano » 17 Feb 2017 23:36

Clearly, the creator of Romagnol doesn't know much about phonology. You can't have /θ ð ʂ ʐ/ but not have /s z/. That just doesn't happen.
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by LinguoFranco » 23 Feb 2017 23:06

Nahuatl, created by a guy who chose a VSO word order just to be different, yet it doesn't follow a lot of the rules that VSO languages normally do. Nahuatl has an animacy distinction while the majority of VSO languages have a masculine and feminine gender. Not to mention Nahuatl is agglutinating/polysynthetic while the other VSO languages are fusional or isolating. Oh, and Nahuatl only has singular and plural forms while Ancient Hebrew, Arabic, Scottish Gaelic and Hawaiian all have dual numbers.

Pay more attention to what VSO languages do, Nahuatl creator.

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 23 Feb 2017 23:10

If all natlangs are just bad conlangs, why is naturalistic artlanging such a hype?
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by LinguoFranco » 23 Feb 2017 23:50

Creyeditor wrote:If all natlangs are just bad conlangs, why is naturalistic artlanging such a hype?
So we can make better natlangs, of course!

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Lao Kou » 24 Feb 2017 03:25

Creyeditor wrote:If all natlangs are just bad conlangs, why is naturalistic artlanging such a hype?
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by All4Ɇn » 24 Feb 2017 04:21

Lao Kou wrote:to pass a panel of linguists who could say, "This may well be real. Spoken in PNG, is it?[/size]
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Frislander » 25 Feb 2017 15:20

LinguoFranco wrote:Nahuatl, created by a guy who chose a VSO word order just to be different, yet it doesn't follow a lot of the rules that VSO languages normally do. Nahuatl has an animacy distinction while the majority of VSO languages have a masculine and feminine gender. Not to mention Nahuatl is agglutinating/polysynthetic while the other VSO languages are fusional or isolating. Oh, and Nahuatl only has singular and plural forms while Ancient Hebrew, Arabic, Scottish Gaelic and Hawaiian all have dual numbers.

Pay more attention to what VSO languages do, Nahuatl creator.
Oh, and they only say it's VSO, but in reality they do whatever they want when it comes to word order: "all of my numbers move off to the end of the sentence" and nonsense like that.

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Shemtov » 06 Aug 2018 19:21

Mixtec was created by a fan of Niger-Volta languages who wanted a similar language in Mesoamerica.
The creator of Tobati is nuts. OSV word order AND a very imbalanced consonant inventory AND crazy yet regular consonant clusters? Kitchen sink much?
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by WeepingElf » 06 Aug 2018 20:09

Whoever made the Dravidian and Australian languages must have believed in Lemuria, with both groups using essentially the same consonant inventory - and a pretty weird one at that, with way too many coronal POAs and no fricatives. At least, he went different ways when creating the vowels.
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Shemtov » 06 Aug 2018 21:10

Oh, and whoever did Yoruba took some drugs while making a sister to igbo.
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by k1234567890y » 06 Aug 2018 21:36

The creator of many Indo-European languages might have some sexist thoughts...and English, Swedish and Norwegian would be created by someone who try to undo those elements.
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by WeepingElf » 07 Aug 2018 14:29

The Kartvelian family is a masterpiece. The consonant inventory incorporates all the major distinctions characteristic of the area where it is set, but without falling into the kitchen sink like the other two Caucasian families. But the consonant clusters sometimes go quite far - a bit less would have been better - and the five-vowel system of Georgian is just boring (the other languages, especially Swan, are better, and at least, there is an interesting ablaut system behind it). The morphology is also very nice, except that the verbs are quite heavy. Where the author excels most is the morphosyntactic alignment, which is interesting and subtly differs from language to language in fascinating ways. And the Georgian alphabet is one of the most beautiful scripts ever made! (And extra points for that stunning vocal music tradition!)

To sum up: An excellent job, with only minor imperfections.
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 15 Sep 2018 01:05

Shemtov wrote:
22 Dec 2016 22:47
So the the other board has this thread, so why not start one here (I don't go there anymore, because that's were the fun of conlanging goes to die.)
Which other board? (Sorry for bringing up an old topic lol)

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 15 Sep 2018 01:08

CarsonDaConlanger wrote:
15 Sep 2018 01:05
Shemtov wrote:
22 Dec 2016 22:47
So the the other board has this thread, so why not start one here (I don't go there anymore, because that's were the fun of conlanging goes to die.)
Which other board? (Sorry for bringing up an old topic lol)
The ZBB, probably.

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by CarsonDaConlanger » 15 Sep 2018 01:11

shimobaatar wrote:
15 Sep 2018 01:08
The ZBB, probably.
Oh. What's that board like?

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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Birdlang » 15 Sep 2018 11:39

The creator of Kabyle definitely had strange ideas for a phonology and alphabet. Some of its relatives are also VSO.
And why /θ ð tˁ/ but no /t d/?
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Re: If natlangs were conlangs

Post by Shemtov » 23 Nov 2018 14:49

To whoever did the Ethiopic subfamily of Semitic: Where did the emphatic biblabial come from? And why did you take a VSO family and make it SOV?
To whoever did Welsh: A lateral fricative in Europe? And it's not even an isolate- it's IE. And <u> for /ɨ/ and <w> for /u/? And don't get me started on how you use <y>.
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