Wants and needs

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Prinsessa » 07 Jan 2015 14:49

The distinction between wanting (DESIDERATIVE) and needing (OBLIGATIVE) is slightly blurred and somewhat different from English in Vanga, and has much to do with the nature, or importance, of the goal for which something is wanted/needed.

In the case of the sentences of this TC, the first two may or may not both be covered by the desiderative. Consider the following:

alıuqanzı
I need / must have money (it is very important or I might be screwed in some regard)
a-l<i>ʷk-ъ-anət-ʲə
CONT-money<PROX>.V-NVL-OBL-1


alıuqılzı
I want / need money (not as important)
a-l<i>ʷk-ъ-ələt-ʲə
CONT-money<PROX>.V-NVL-DES-1


The first one might be used when one really needs money, for example to pay the rents lest one wishes to be thrown out on the street. The latter is for less imperative things; perhaps one would really like money for a new car, but it's not so much important for one's well-being as an itching desire to get a little present for oneself.

The last one is simple:

alıuqımı
I do not have money
a -l<i>ʷk-ъ-ʲə=m=Ø-ʲə
CONT-money<PROX>.V-NVL-1=NEG=AUX-1

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by k1234567890y » 29 Jan 2015 00:02

:con: Lonmai Luna

Romanization: se ine tadi
Interlinear: 1.SG need money
English: I need money.

Romanization: se daler pabel tadi
Interlinear: 1.SG want.to have money
English: I want(to have) money.

Romanization: se daler patelo tadi
Interlinear: 1.SG want.to get money
English: I want to get money.

Romanization: se irano tadi
Interlinear: 1.SG lack money
English: I lack money.
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by clawgrip » 29 Jan 2015 14:38

:con:Yabushionese

(我は)錢が要る。
(Wai fa) zeni ga iru.

(1 TOP) money SBJ be.needed
I need money.

(我は)錢が欲し。
(Wai fa) zeni ga hoshi.

(1 TOP) money SBJ be.wanted
I want money.

(我は)錢が無し。
(Wai fa) zeni ga nashi.

(1 TOP) money SBJ be.absent
I lack money.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Thakowsaizmu » 29 Jan 2015 18:49

I need money.
I want money.
I lack money.

:tan:
Nahitaji pesa
/nɑ.hi.'tɑ.ʄi 'pɛ.sɑ/
na-hitaji pesa
PRES-need CL5_money


Nataka pesa
/nɑ.'tɑ.kɑ 'pɛ.sɑ/
na-taka pesa
PRES-want CL5_money


Sina pesa
/'si.nɑ 'pɛ.sɑ/
si-na pesa
1psNEG-have CL5_money

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Iyionaku » 29 Jan 2015 20:40

:con: Yélian

Re panai ero.
[rɛ ˈpaːn͡aɪ ˈɛro]
1SG need-1SG money
I need money.

Re ivabai ero.
[rɛ ˈiːvab͡aɪ ˈɛro]
1SG want-have-1SG money
I want money.

Re disai/cibai ero.
[rɛ ˈdiːs͡aɪ / ˈkiːb͡ai ˈɛro]
1SG lack-1SG / NEG-have money
I lack money.
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Re: Wants and needs

Post by k1234567890y » 30 Jan 2015 03:15

:con: Urban Basanawa

text: 吾要あるふ金
text(spaced): 吾 要あるふ 金
pronunciation: /ik bə'darf 'gelt/
romanization: ik bedarf geld
interlinear: 1.SG need-1.SG.PRES money
English: I need money.

text: 吾欲いる゚金
text(spaced): 吾 欲いる゚ 金
pronunciation: /ik 'wil 'gelt/
romanization: ik will geld
interlinear: 1.SG want-1.SG.PRES money
English: I want money.

text: 吾ね持う゚金
text(spaced): 吾 ね 持う゚ 金
pronunciation: /ik ne 'ha:f 'gelt/
romanization: ik ne have geld
interlinear: 1.SG NEG have-1.SG.PRES money
English: I lack money./I don't have money
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Xing » 11 Jul 2015 09:30

:con: Leopardish III:

There is a single expressing that can cover (1), (2), and possibly (3):

Nio dega cee
[ˈni.o ˈdega ˈt͡ʃe.e]
ni-o dega cee
1s-DAT want/need/lack money

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by HoskhMatriarch » 12 Jul 2015 23:01

This is a language I made up in about 2 hours called Spraka.

I want money.
Ketlehafefila.
/ˈke˧.tleˌxa˧.feˌfi.la/
Ketle-hafe-fil-a
money-have-DES-1S.PAT

I need money.
Ketlehafepraha.
/ˈke˧.tleˌxa˧.feˌpʁa.xa/
Ketle-hafe-prah-a
money-have-NEC-1S.PAT

I lack money
Ketlehafeniha.
/ˈke˧.tleˌxa˧.feˌni.xa/
Ketle-hafe-nih-a
money-have-NEG-1S.PAT

This language is completely ridiculous :P
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Re: Wants and needs

Post by All4Ɇn » 13 Jul 2015 00:12

:con: Îçlo

Voglio della torra.
Ho uopo de torra.
Ho privo de torra.

:con: Koronijer

Vakë tavš.
Vakakë tavš.
Valackë tavš.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Sier » 13 Jul 2015 13:42

:con: Pekseili (Vutulkian)

faya /ˈfätɬä/
money (collectively)

Nan peha sefaya. /näm pɛh sɛˈfätɬä/
I need money.

Faya hia [ra nas]. /ˈfätɬä hɪä̯ rä näs/
(I) want money. (more literally: Money is what is wanted [in context of me].)

Nan tiya hin sefaya. /nän ˈtɪtɬä hɪn sɛˈfätɬä/
I don't have money.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Iyionaku » 13 Dec 2017 16:34

:con: Ular

我钱想我。
Lăn khân ãw lăn.
[lɛn˧˩ kʰɑn˧˥ ɑ̃ʊ̯̃˧ lɛn˧˩]
1SG money want 1SG
I want money.

我钱望我。
Lăn khân mūj lăn.
[lɛn˧˩ kʰɑn˧˥ muj˧ lɛn˧˩]
1SG money need 1SG
I want money.

Note that the second sentence can also mean "I want money", depending on context, but not the other way round.

我钱没我。
Lăn khân nòng lăn.
[lɛn˧˩ kʰɑn˧˥ nɤŋ˩ lɛn˧˩]
1SG money not_have 1SG
I want money.
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Re: Wants and needs

Post by marvelous » 14 Dec 2017 13:24

:con: Ladoçei Htoleiþe

I need money.
Riɛat kodyottunyar.
/ˈɹiʕɑt ˈkodjotːuɲɑɹ/
riɛ-at kod-yot-tuny-ar
need-1SG.AN1 eat-PART.PSV.N-meta-INDEF.ACC

I want money.
Komat kodyottunyar.
/ˈkomɑt ˈkodjotːuɲɑɹ/
kom-at kod-yot-tuny-ar
want-1SG.AN1 eat-PART.PSV.N-meta-INDEF.ACC

I lack money.
Hi nyadat kodyottunyar.
/ʔi ˈɲɑdɑt ˈkodjotːuɲɑɹ/
hi nyad-at kodyottunyar
NEG have-1SG.AN1 eat-PART.PSV.N-meta-INDEF.ACC
:heb: I have gained self-respect and left. :yid:

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Anarel » 14 Dec 2017 14:53

Ikāezin

Subject is omitted, unless the speaker wants to highlight his/her own situation. In such case "Sīz" (I) would be used at the beginning of each sentence.

I need money.
Grālsil Merāter
/gɾa:lsil meɾa:ter/
gral-sil me-ra-ter
money-ACC need-1SG.PRES.IND.

I want money.
Grālsil Hīnter
/gɾa:lsil ɦi:nteɾ/
gra-sil hin-ter
money-ACC want-1SG.PRES.IND.

I lack money.
Grālsil kûepetēr
/gɾa:lsil ku:epete:ɾ/
gral-sil kue-pe-ter
money-ACC no-ADV-have-1SG.PRES.IND.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by marvelous » 15 Dec 2017 10:50

:con: Ðeneydabus

Ðeneydabus is a split ergative language; when the agent is first or second person, the patient is formed with the construction þo + dative/lative. Otherwise the patient is formed with the absolutive case, and the agent with the ergative (-að for indefinite or -eið for definite).

I need money.
Nyadoymar þo ðūveþal kodyortunya.
/ˈɲɑdoɪ̯mɑɾ θo ˈð̠uːveθɑl ˈkodjoɾtuɲɑ/
nyad-oym-ar þo ðūveþ-al kodyortuny-a
have-inside-1SG PREP.ACC need-INDEF.DAT money-INDEF.GEN

I want money.
Komar þo kodyortunyal.
/ˈkomɑɾ θo ˈkodjoɾtuɲɑl/
kom-ar þo kodyortuny-al
want-1SG PREP.ACC money-DAT

I lack money.
Hū nyadar þo kodyortunyal.
/huː ˈɲɑdɑɾ θo ˈkodjoɾtuɲɑl/
hū nyad-ar þo kodyortuny-al
NEG have-1SG PREP.ACC money-DAT
:heb: I have gained self-respect and left. :yid:

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Reyzadren » 28 Dec 2017 00:41

:con: griuskant (without the conscript)

aesk shaeta luyia.
/'esk 'ʃeta 'lujia/
1SG need-V money

aesk skuya luyia.
/'esk 'skuja 'lujia/
1SG want-V money

aesk ela luyiajezon.
/'esk 'əla 'lujiadʒəzɔn/
1SG quantumstate-V money.less-NN
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Re: Wants and needs

Post by eldin raigmore » 28 Dec 2017 02:55

Reyzadren wrote:
28 Dec 2017 00:41
:con: griuskant (without the conscript)
....
aesk ela luyiajezon.
/'esk 'əla 'lujiadʒəzɔn/
1SG quantumstate-V money.less-NN
What's "quantumstate"?

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Reyzadren » 29 Dec 2017 00:53

eldin raigmore wrote:
28 Dec 2017 02:55
Reyzadren wrote:
28 Dec 2017 00:41
:con: griuskant (without the conscript)
....
aesk ela luyiajezon.
/'esk 'əla 'lujiadʒəzɔn/
1SG quantumstate-V money.less-NN
What's "quantumstate"?
That's just a reminder for me that it means "being in such a state", instead of countrystate or explainstate.

For the actual meaning of quantum state, one should use some quantum mechanics/physics reference elsewhere.
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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Void » 29 Dec 2017 19:00

:con: Süm jaroz

Thurbar načasud.
[ˈθurbɑr ˈnɑtʃɑsud]
need-1SG.PRS money-DAT
I need money.

Arkur načas.
[ˈɑrkur ˈnɑtʃɑs]
want-1SG.PRS money-ACC
I want money.

Grivür načas.
[ˈgriʋyr ˈnɑtʃɑs]
lack-1SG.PRS money-ACC
I lack money.

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Tuyono » 17 Jan 2018 00:34

:con: Źilaa Ruńu
(I'm still playing around with a lot of things about it, including the orthography)

Cahiu pexin.
want-1SG money
I want money.

Ula klu huun pexin.
be.necessary<3SG> for 1SG.OBL money
I need money. (money is needed for me)

Ucer dji huun pexin.
be.absent<3SG> on 1SG.OBL money
I lack money. (There's no money on me)

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Re: Wants and needs

Post by Adarain » 19 Jan 2018 15:49

:che: Swiss German

I brucha Geld.
[i 'pɾuːxɐ 'g̊ɛlt]
1s need-1s money
“I need money”

I wett Geld ha.
[i 'ʋetː 'g̊ɛlt haː]
1s want.1s money have.INF
“I want to have money”

Miar fehlt’s an Geld.
[mɪɐɾ fɛːlts ɐn 'g̊ɛlt]
1s.DAT lack.3s-3sn at money
“I lack money”
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Konu es bręnnd es,
Mæki es ręyndr es,
Męy es gefin es,
Ís es yfir kømr,
Ǫl es drukkit es.

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