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You helped me

Post by hadad » 29 Jun 2012 20:23

:eng: You helped me walk my dog
:con: Sepatuk: Tusanesemu mekuna
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Re: You helped me

Post by MrKrov » 29 Jun 2012 20:34

Glosses?

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Re: You helped me

Post by thetha » 29 Jun 2012 22:34

:con: Kàmo:
Mihoabàhi taakihi gà tibisiágà
[miˈɦõãβˠɘɦĩ taːˈgiɦĩ ŋə tiˈβˠɨsjãŋə]
CL.6-walk.CAUS-1S.A dog.1S.POSS=NMLZ help.PERF-2S.A

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Re: You helped me

Post by Xing » 29 Jun 2012 23:19

:con: Wateu

Ko piru a no mai ge wike ta luki.
/ko ˈpʲiːru aː mʲai̯ ŋe ˈwiːke tʲa ˈluːki/
PFV help ERG 2s 1s INF walk DEF dog

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Re: You helped me

Post by hadad » 30 Jun 2012 18:28

MrKrov wrote:Glosses?
Oops....

:eng: You helped me walk my dog
:con: Sepatuk: Tusanesemu mekuna

T-u-san-e-se-mu me-kun-a
2nd.active-NonFut.-walk-compl.-Ind.-1st.com./Instr./Adjutative 1stposs.-dog-Subj./Obj./Dat.

The phonology is still incomplete, but this was one of my test samples to see how well it worked for what I wanted.
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Re: You helped me

Post by MrKrov » 30 Jun 2012 18:53

:con: Pag-buum
Seg lum ŋam van hru esk nim sṳč ŋam.
/seg lum ŋam van xru esk nim sʉʈ͡ʂ ŋam/
give you I help make walk DEF dog I
You helped me walk my dog.
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Re: You helped me

Post by Lambuzhao » 30 Jun 2012 20:46

:con: Sûðrasâl

Hælvad ðe mjs dåc üttjœgghðenj mej Hundre vâr þanan.
Hælv-ad ðe mjs dåt-tuo üt-tjœkk(a)-ðen-je mej Hundr-e vâr þan-an.
[help-PST 2SG.NOM 1SG.DAT CNJ out.take-SUBJV.1SG 1SG.POSS dog-OBJ PRP walk-INF]
/hæl.vad ðe mıs dɔʦ u.t:jɔjɣ.ðə.ɲɨ mεj hun.dʀə væ:ɝ þɒ.nɐn /
you helped me to out-take my dog for walking

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Re: You helped me

Post by Imralu » 20 Jun 2017 07:01

:tan: Swahili

Ulinisaidia kutembeza mbwa wangu.
u-li-ni-saidi-a ku-tembe-z-a mbwa w-angu
2s-PST-1s-help-Ø INF-walk-CAUS-Ø dog(CL9/10) CL1-my

You helped me walk my dog.
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Re: You helped me

Post by Void » 20 Jun 2017 15:51

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Տւլզալախ իզգխւրմագ վարի նարսաճ:
Tulzalakh izgkhurmag vari narsach.
[tulzɑˈlɑχ izgəχurˈmɑg vɑˈri nɑrˈsɑtʃ]
help-2SG.PST walk-INF=REFL 1SG.DAT dog-INST
You helped me walk my dog.
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Re: You helped me

Post by Reyzadren » 21 Jun 2017 01:19

:con: griuskant (without the conscript)

ost roesa aesk klitha aeskae vosk.
/'ɔst 'rɯsa 'esk 'kliθa 'eske 'vɔsk/
2SG help-V 1SG bring-V 1SG-POSS dog
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Re: You helped me

Post by Lao Kou » 21 Jun 2017 10:45

Hello, Central Casting? Yeah, could you send over a sentence perfectly illustrative of Géarthnuns' causative adverbs? Thanks, babe. [B)]

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Öçek lén sít höi chö ngarebsöt síteböt vdöirhé nízhakh.
2SG-NOM AUX.PAST.CAUS 1SG-ACC PTCL DEF dog-ACC my-ACC help-ADV.PAST walk
You helped me walk my dog.
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Re: You helped me

Post by Iyionaku » 21 Jun 2017 11:56

Honestly I have no fucking idea how to translate this into Yélian. Maybe this is just a big grammatical hole. I could invent a new causative prefix for it, of course; but I don't feel comfortable with it. I already created way too many prefixes that are very rarely used. I'll think of this during work day and will come back to this thread in the evening.
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Re: You helped me

Post by Frislander » 24 Jun 2017 20:39

:con: O Kanã

dadisẽgetã ka ete‘adrabaa teakobaa.
[(ⁿ)daⁿdisẽ↓ⁿgetã ka eteʔa↓ⁿɖʳaⁿbaː te̯a↓koⁿbaː]
da-<is>nẽge-tã ka ete-‘adra-baa teako-baa
1-<PRF>help-2.ERG DAT CAUS-walk.about-1.ERG dog-1.ERG
You helped me walk my dog.

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Re: You helped me

Post by Parlox » 04 Oct 2017 20:11

Pod
Nåvy podon ókod vånår ókodpód våroći.
[nɑvi pɑdɑn ɤkɑd vɑnɑɹ ɤkɑdpɤd vɑɹɑt͡ʃʼɪ]
help-PER 2ND.NOM 1ST.ACC walk 1ST.ACC-GEN valur
You helped me walk my dog.(lit, you helped me walked my dog)
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Re: You helped me

Post by Iyionaku » 05 Oct 2017 07:47

:chn: Mandarin

你帮了我溜我的狗。
Nǐ bāngle wǒ liū wǒ de gǒu.

[ni˨˩ baŋ˥lə ʊ̯ɔ˨˩ lɪ̯eʊ̯˥ ʊ̯ɔ˨ tə kɔʊ̯˨˩˦]
2SG help-PERF 1SG walk 1SG GEN dog
You helped me walk my dog.
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Re: You helped me

Post by Lao Kou » 09 Oct 2017 06:53

Iyionaku wrote: :chn: Mandarin

你帮了我溜我的狗。
You helped me walk my dog.
First, it's 遛 (liù) in 遛狗 (walk a dog).

As you're using 帮 here, it's a coverb, and as such, doesn't take 了. (Stylistically, I'd drop 我的; I daresay context would handle that).That gives:

你帮我遛(我的)狗。

But this sounds like "You walked my dog for me." (because I was away for a few days; because I was sick in bed...)

In the sense of actual helping, I'd go with the full-blown 帮助 (bāngzhù):

你帮助我遛(我的)狗。
You helped me walk my dog. (because I‘m a diminutive 90-year-old woman being dragged down the street by my overzealous Great Dane puppy...)
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Re: You helped me

Post by Parlox » 13 Oct 2017 21:13

Gwynwth
Buêste ti cynôrtwy rôeddêt in cerĝdded ffi ngi
[bɯ̽eːstɛ tɪ kɪnɤɹtɯɪ ɹɤːɛdeːt iːn kɛɹʁdɛd fi ŋi]
be.2ND.SING.PRET.AFF 2ND.SING help be.1ST.SING.IPFV.AFF 1ST.SING walk 1ST.SING.GEN dog
You helped me walk my dog

(Cynôrtwy could also be helpwn)

In phrases with a copula all tense is inflicted via copula, regular tense marking only occurs in phrases without a copula.
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Re: You helped me

Post by marvelous » 14 Oct 2017 09:32

:epo: Esperanto

Vi helpis min promenigi mian hundon.
/vi ˈhel.pis min pro.meˈni.gi ˈmi.an ˈhun.don/
PRO.2 help-PST PRO.1SG-ACC walk-CAUS-INF PRO.1SG-ADJ-ACC dog-N-ACC

:ido: Ido

Tu helpis me promenigar mea hundo.
/tu ˈhel.pis me pro.me.niˈgar ˈme.a ˈhun.do/
PRO.2SG.FAM help-PST PRO.1SG walk-CAUS-INF PRO.1SG-ADJ dog-N

:con: Ganur Lon

Assuming "you" to be the topic...

Sebute cane nonknu lanek.
/seˈbu.te ˈca.ne ˈnonk.nu ˈla.nek/
2SG.SBJ-help-3SG.NTOP.OBJ-REC PRO.DAT-1SG INF-exercise-CAUS-3SG.NTOP.OBJ dog-SG.1SG.POS

:con: Khan Nilau Khaftim

Os-sepp tjane nonknu tjol-lanek.
/ɔsˈsepː ˈtʲa.ne ˈnɔnk.nʊ tʲɔlˈla.nek/
PST=2SG.SBJ-help PRO.DAT-1SG INF-walk.an.animal-3SG.NTOP.OBJ ACC=dog-SG.1SG.POS

:con: Pejlanrau Khaneč Khaftim

The accusative prefix appears in this sentence because it is assumed to be talking about something desired by the speaker, making the order VSO instead of SVO. It does not have to be VSO; it could also be SVO and ambiguous about whether it is desired, or SOV implying it was not desired by the speaker. The accusative is ommitted in SVO sentences. Sometimes, as in this case, the only way to distinguish VSO from SVO is the use of the accusative in VSO sentences.

Os-seph čane nonknu čol-lanek.
/ɔsˈsepʰ ˈtɕa.ne ˈnɔnk.nʊ tɕɔlˈla.nek/
PST=2SG.SBJ-help PRO.DAT-1SG INF-walk.an.animal-3SG.NTOP.OBJ ACC=dog-SG.1SG.POS

:con: Gãdũ Fav

Sebute cãde nartãdarru rãdek.
/seˈbu.te ˈcã.de na˞.tãˈda˞.ru ˈrã.dek/
2SG.SBJ-help-3SG.NTOP.OBJ-REC PRO.DAT-1SG INF-walk.an.animal-3SG.NTOP.OBJ dog-SG.1SG.POS

:con: Nummiinmaak

Ho-sebu cane nonknu co-footek.
/hoˈse.bu ˈca.ne ˈnonk.nu coˈfoː.tek/
PST=2SG.SBJ-help PRO.DAT-1SG INF-exercise-CAUS-3SG.NTOP.OBJ ACC=dog-1SG.POS
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Re: You helped me

Post by Dormouse559 » 18 Oct 2017 07:10

:con: Silvish

This sentence isn't too difficult to translate from a valency point of view, but Silvish makes a few distinctions here that are absent in English. If the speaker is male, they should say ediàt; if they are female, ediâ. If the dog is male, one says (lou) mon hè; for a female dog, (la) ma hen-e. Including the definite article lou/la implies that the dog is not the speaker's only dog.

Tu m'aç ediàt/ediâ a parmenä (lou) mon hè / (la) ma hen-e.
[ty.ma.səˈdjat/əˈdjɑː a.paʁ.məˈnɛː (lu.)mɔ̃ˈhe / (la.)məˈhẽ.ə]
2SG-NOM 1SG.ACC=have.2SG help-PST_PTCP-M.SR|help-PST_PTCP.F to walk-INF (DEF-ACC.M.WK) 1SG-POSS.M.WK dog | (DEF-ACC.F) 1SG-POSS.F dog-F


SR = "strong"/human-associated gender
WK = "weak"/non-human-associated gender



:fra: French

French makes the first two distinctions in the same way that Silvish does (male speaker = aidé, female speaker = aidée; male dog = mon chien, female dog = ma chienne).

Tu m'as aidé(e) à promener mon chien / ma chienne.
/ty ma ɛ.de a pʁɔm.ne mɔ̃ ʃjɛ̃ | ma ʃjɛn/
2SG-NOM 1SG.ACC=have.2SG help-PST_PTCP(F) to walk-INF 1SG-POSS.M dog / 1SG-POSS.F dog-F



:eng: :lat: Romanglic

"Me walk my dog" gets nominalized in Romanglic. It's ambiguous; technically, it could refer to any dog, not just the speaker's. But context should make it clear which dog is meant.

Mercy assisted ego's canine promenade.

You helped me walk my dog.

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Re: You helped me

Post by marvelous » 18 Oct 2017 13:52

:con: Homrānatyu

Havǎs mi-helpínt ke promenigu mihǎn hundon.
/ˈha.vəs mi.helˈpint ke pro.meˈni.gu ˈmi.hən ˈhun.don/
have-2SG.PRSNT PRO.2SG.CLTC=help-PART.PST.ACT COMP walk-CAUS-SJV PRO.1SG-ADJ-ACC dog-N-ACC
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