Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 19 Jul 2018 17:08

ixals wrote:
19 Jul 2018 12:05
Reminds me of German "unsereins". Is the second part from some form of *ainaz, therefore meaning "one of you" or something similar?
No, it is not derivational morphology at all [cross] But a very interesting guess [:)]

In Gniebeggas:
<iggerens>
/igːərənʃ/

Also to summarize:
  • It is neither a verb, nor a noun, nor an adjective.
  • The word consists of three morphemes.
  • The first two morphemes have already been found by guessing a relation to PG *izweraz
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 21 Jul 2018 18:56

Is it an adverb?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 22 Jul 2018 18:44

No [cross]
It is actually of the same category as *izweras
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 22 Jul 2018 20:14

So it's a possessive pronoun?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 22 Jul 2018 21:34

shimobaatar wrote:
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So it's a possessive pronoun?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 22 Jul 2018 21:45

Second person plural?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 23 Jul 2018 11:58

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Second person plural?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Jul 2018 13:06

There's more to it, though, since there are three morphemes.

You said that the first two morphemes have already been found. Just to be clear, are they "2nd person plural possessive pronoun" and "masculine nominative singular", like in *izwer-az?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 23 Jul 2018 14:10

Sorry, the first two morphemes are derived from the second person plural possessive. I assumed an analysis where the root is *izw (corresponding to modern igg(e)) and *-er (corresponding to modern -(e)r) is suffixed to some pronouns to derive possessive forms. These are the morphemes that have already been guessed. Sorry for being unclear about that.
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Jul 2018 14:40

Creyeditor wrote:
23 Jul 2018 14:10
Sorry, the first two morphemes are derived from the second person plural possessive. I assumed an analysis where the root is *izw (corresponding to modern igg(e)) and *-er (corresponding to modern -(e)r) is suffixed to some pronouns to derive possessive forms. These are the morphemes that have already been guessed. Sorry for being unclear about that.
Oh, that's OK. Thanks for clarifying. Is the third morpheme an inflectional/agreement suffix?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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shimobaatar wrote:
23 Jul 2018 14:40
Creyeditor wrote:
23 Jul 2018 14:10
Sorry, the first two morphemes are derived from the second person plural possessive. I assumed an analysis where the root is *izw (corresponding to modern igg(e)) and *-er (corresponding to modern -(e)r) is suffixed to some pronouns to derive possessive forms. These are the morphemes that have already been guessed. Sorry for being unclear about that.
Oh, that's OK. Thanks for clarifying. Is the third morpheme an inflectional/agreement suffix?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Jul 2018 21:11

Is the final suffix singular?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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shimobaatar wrote:
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Is the final suffix singular?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Jul 2018 22:09

Is it nominative?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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shimobaatar wrote:
23 Jul 2018 22:09
Is it nominative?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 23 Jul 2018 23:19

Genitive?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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shimobaatar wrote:
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Genitive?
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 24 Jul 2018 01:49

Dative?

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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 24 Jul 2018 09:29

Yes [tick]
I think it's fair to declare you the winner right now. It is the second person plural possessive pronouns with agreement for plural/non-singular number and dative case. And for all your suffering here is a reward: An example sentence.

E täches se iggerens fårrens.
E täches se igg-er-ens fårrens.
1SG.NOM show.1SG.PRS you.ACC 3PL-POSS-DAT.PL father.PL.DAT
I show you to their fathers.
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 24 Jul 2018 17:57

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24 Jul 2018 09:29
E täches se iggerens fårrens.
E täches se igg-er-ens fårrens.
1SG.NOM show.1SG.PRS you.ACC 3PL-POSS-DAT.PL father.PL.DAT
I show you to their fathers.
Looks nice! What's the background for this language, if I might ask?

Language: Modern Königsberg Northeast Germanic
Word: dabbøms
IPA: /ˈdɑbøms/

(Post #9889 for me, apparently.)

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