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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 07 May 2019 20:25
by Herra Ratatoskr
It's cognate with slay, but it has undergone some semantic drift in this case.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 15 May 2019 21:03
by shimobaatar
Herra Ratatoskr wrote:
07 May 2019 20:25
It's cognate with slay, but it has undergone some semantic drift in this case.
Does it still mean something violent/negative?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 01:22
by Herra Ratatoskr
Yes

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 05:46
by shimobaatar
To clarify, is this a meaning that "slēan" did not have in Old English?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 16:23
by Herra Ratatoskr
No, it didn't have the same meaning in Old English. It's less physically violent.

Also, I kind of messed up answering the question you asked about being related to slay. It's a descendent of sleġe, which meant "hit, blow", and is ultimately a derivative of the same root as "slay", but not directly a descendant of Old English slean. Sorry for any confusion that caused.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 18:48
by shimobaatar
Oh, no worries! Thanks for the clarification. I figured it was probably a noun since it's the second half of the compound and the whole word is a noun.

Anyway, does it refer to some kind of non-physical aggression?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 19:36
by Herra Ratatoskr
If you're being VERY generous with the term "aggression", it probably could, but it probably wouldn't be how most people would think of it.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 19:44
by shimobaatar
Hmm…

Is bifje a verb?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 May 2019 20:03
by Herra Ratatoskr
Yes

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 13 Jun 2019 01:35
by shimobaatar
Is it a weak verb?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 Jun 2019 16:19
by Herra Ratatoskr
Yes

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 Jun 2019 16:52
by spanick
From bifian “to shake, tremble”?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 Jun 2019 17:17
by Herra Ratatoskr
Yep, now you have to put the two together and figure out the semantic drift.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 Jun 2019 17:33
by spanick
I’m guessing it’s “seizure”

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 16 Jun 2019 19:14
by Herra Ratatoskr
No, but you're definitely headed in the right direction. I imagine that you've got the "sleje" part right, but the the "bifje" part narrowed its meaning some (in a general way compare how specific English "starve" is versus German "sterben").

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 22 Aug 2019 03:53
by Herra Ratatoskr
This one's seems to have sputtered out; are people still interested in trying to solve it? Or should we throw in the towel and let another person have a word?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 22 Aug 2019 03:58
by shimobaatar
I'm definitely still interested, but also thoroughly stumped, I'd say. I'll have to look back over what's been confirmed already to see if anything jumps out at me.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 22 Aug 2019 23:40
by Herra Ratatoskr
Hm, didn't really think this would be that hard to figure out. Maybe post what you think each part of the compound signify and I can give a hint based on that?

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 23 Aug 2019 00:43
by spanick
Herra Ratatoskr wrote:
22 Aug 2019 03:53
This one's seems to have sputtered out; are people still interested in trying to solve it? Or should we throw in the towel and let another person have a word?
For the record I’m also still interested but I’m kinda at a loss as well. On top of that, I have 4 new classes I’m teaching and I’ve been working on my thesis for my MA and I haven’t had much time for conlanging.

Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

Posted: 25 Aug 2019 00:25
by shimobaatar
Herra Ratatoskr wrote:
22 Aug 2019 23:40
Hm, didn't really think this would be that hard to figure out. Maybe post what you think each part of the compound signify and I can give a hint based on that?
I think this sort of thing does tend to seem easier to whoever knows the answer. Also, I think I'm just not very good at guessing things like semantic drift.

I've tried to compile everything that's been confirmed so far.

bifjesleje
/ˈbɪv.i.ˌzɫɛj/
  • A noun.
  • No affixes are present.
  • A compound of two roots ("bifje-sleje").
bifje-
  • A weak verb.
  • Descended from Old English "bifian", but its meaning has narrowed (generally comparable to "starve" vs. German "sterben").
-sleje
  • A noun.
  • Descended from Old English "sleġe" and cognate with "slay", but has undergone semantic drift.
  • Has a violent/negative meaning, but less physically violent than "slay".
  • Most people would not think of its meaning as a type of aggression.

While putting this together, I thought I'd finally figured it out, only to see that spanick had already guessed "seizure" in June. I know it's not that, but is it a medical term at all?