Guess the Word in Romlangs

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by spanick » 30 Dec 2018 15:28

Did the Greek word the second form descends from start with παγ-?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 30 Dec 2018 15:29

spanick wrote:
30 Dec 2018 15:28
Did the Greek word the second form descends from start with παγ-?
No. [cross]
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 30 Dec 2018 15:35

Is the -ia in barbia a nominalizing suffix?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 30 Dec 2018 15:37

shimobaatar wrote:
30 Dec 2018 15:35
Is the -ia in barbia a nominalizing suffix?
No [cross]
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 30 Dec 2018 16:05

I will say; once the ancestor of barbia became a noun, it conjugated as a first conjugation noun.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 30 Dec 2018 18:23

Is any part of barbia a derivational affix?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 30 Dec 2018 18:27

shimobaatar wrote:
30 Dec 2018 18:23
Is any part of barbia a derivational affix?
No [cross] It descends from a single word in Latin - that word was just not a noun.

I have just found out that there was a Latin noun also zero-derived from this word, but in a different declension.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 30 Dec 2018 18:30

OK, I think I'm going to ignore barbia for now.

So paiuvéi is a verb derived from a Greek loanword… was the word in Greek a noun?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 30 Dec 2018 18:32

shimobaatar wrote:
30 Dec 2018 18:30
OK, I think I'm going to ignore barbia for now.

So paiuvéi is a verb derived from a Greek loanword… was the word in Greek a noun?
Indeed:
Greek noun > Latin noun > Latin verb > paiuvéi
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Post by shimobaatar » 30 Dec 2018 18:36

Was the Greek noun masculine?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 30 Dec 2018 18:37

shimobaatar wrote:
30 Dec 2018 18:36
Was the Greek noun masculine?
No, feminine.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 04 Jan 2019 21:20

I've found myself pretty stuck here, so I'm going to try to go back and make a list of everything that's been confirmed:

barbia paiuvéi
/ˈbarbi.a ˌpajuˈvej/
[ˈbɑɻbja paj(ʊ)ˈvej]
  • It's not from Boral.
  • It's a verb phrase. barbia, a noun, is the direct object of paiuvéi, a verb.
  • It does not mean "beard rain".
barbia
/ˈbarbi.a/
[ˈbɑɻbja]
  • It is feminine singular.
  • It does not refer to anything physical.
  • It does not descend from a noun in Classical Latin, but its ancestor belonged to the first declension after becoming a noun.
  • There was also a Classical Latin noun zero-derived from the same source, which belonged to a different declension.
  • It began with a labial stop in Classical Latin.
  • It descends from a single Classical Latin word, and has no derivational affixes.
paiuvéi
/pajuˈvej/
[paj(ʊ)ˈvej]
  • It did not exist in Classical or Vulgar Latin.
  • It began with a labial stop in Medieval Latin.
  • It is a verbal derivation of a loanword from Greek.
  • The loanword began with πα- in Greek, but not παι- or παγ-.
  • The loanword was not παγιδεύω.
  • The loanword was a feminine noun.


Hmm… was the word that barbia is derived from an adjective?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 04 Jan 2019 21:22

shimobaatar wrote:
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Hmm… was the word that barbia is derived from an adjective?
It was! [tick] In particular, the feminine form of the adjective was reinterpreted as a first declension/feminine noun.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 05 Jan 2019 06:42

Was the adjective in question bisyllabic?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 05 Jan 2019 14:16

shimobaatar wrote:
05 Jan 2019 06:42
Was the adjective in question bisyllabic?
um
Yes if you remove the -us/-a/-um ending from the nominative singular.
Like say, optimus/optima/optimum.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 07 Jan 2019 14:23

Was the shape of the adjective, sans nominative singular suffix, CVCCV-?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 07 Jan 2019 14:33

shimobaatar wrote:
07 Jan 2019 14:23
Was the shape of the adjective, sans nominative singular suffix, CVCCV-?
Close! CVCCVC-
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 07 Jan 2019 15:55

In the Greek source for paiuvéi, was the letter after πα- one of <ε η υ>?

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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Jackk » 07 Jan 2019 16:00

shimobaatar wrote:
07 Jan 2019 15:55
In the Greek source for paiuvéi, was the letter after πα- one of <ε η υ>?
[cross] No, <ρ>.
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Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by shimobaatar » 07 Jan 2019 16:08

Hmm… was the letter after rho one of the 7 vowel letters?

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