Guess the Word in Romlangs

A forum for translations, translation challenges etc. Good place to increase your conlang's vocabulary.
User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4400
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 » 09 Sep 2017 16:01

Was the word tetrasyllabic in Latin?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 09 Sep 2017 18:22

qwed117 wrote:Does the nasalization come from a lost nasal coda?
From a lost nasal consonant, yes.
Image

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 09 Sep 2017 18:23

qwed117 wrote:Was the word tetrasyllabic in Latin?
The source of the word is a compound of two Latin words, so, no and bonus clue.
Image

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 09 Sep 2017 18:24

Creyeditor wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:Was the original consonants that corresponds to the now second consonant a /k/?
Thrice Xandvii wrote:Nope.
Was it a /t/?
It's a little hard to answer these kinds of questions correctly since several consonants were lost in the transit... So, I'll go with a "sort of".
Image

User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4400
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 » 09 Sep 2017 19:09

Thrice Xandvii wrote:
qwed117 wrote:Was the word tetrasyllabic in Latin?
The source of the word is a compound of two Latin words, so, no and bonus clue.
My mistake, were there 4 syllables total in both latin words
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 09 Sep 2017 19:13

4 total, yes.
Image

User avatar
Creyeditor
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4500
Joined: 14 Aug 2012 18:32

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Creyeditor » 09 Sep 2017 20:20

Thrice Xandvii wrote:Image
Image tązinu
/tə̃.ˈt͜si.nu/
Was the syllable in the original word that corresponds to the last syllable in the modern word exclusively part of the second morpheme in the original word?
Creyeditor
"Thoughts are free."
Produce, Analyze, Manipulate
1 :deu: 2 :eng: 3 :idn: 4 :fra: 4 :esp:
:con: Ook & Omlűt & Nautli languages & Sperenjas
[<3] Papuan languages, Morphophonology, Lexical Semantics [<3]

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 10 Sep 2017 07:54

To be clear: you're asking if /nu/ came 100% from the second syllable of the second ancestor word in Latin? Which means you're making sure it doesn't bridge any gaps in the second word?

No, it doesn't bridge any gaps, it's the first part of the second word and the last part of the first word that got all messy in the center of the modern word.

(For the future, I have a much easier word in mind as this one seems tougher than I intended.)
Image

User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4400
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 » 01 Oct 2017 04:08

Uh, well, sorry for the pause.

Is the final -u from -us/-um
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 01 Oct 2017 07:29

[cross] Nope.
Image

User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4400
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 » 01 Oct 2017 13:38

Oh...
Is the final -u from any Latin declensional termination?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 01 Oct 2017 13:50

Well, it does come from *a* declension, just not one that ends in a "u."
Image

User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4400
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 » 01 Oct 2017 14:07

Hmm. Was there a consonant after it that was deleted?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 01 Oct 2017 14:10

[cross] Nah.
Image

User avatar
ixals
sinic
sinic
Posts: 374
Joined: 28 Jul 2015 17:43

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by ixals » 01 Oct 2017 15:25

So one syllable had to be lost? I guess it is the second syllable and therefore the second and third consonant (/t/ + /?/, probably /s/) merged together into /t͡s/?
Native: :deu:
Learning: :gbr:, :fra:, :por:, :tur:

Цiски a Central Slavic conlang
Noattȯč a future German conlang [on hold]
Tungōnis Vīdīnōs Proto-Germanic goes Romance [on hold]

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 03 Oct 2017 05:34

ixals wrote:So one syllable had to be lost? I guess it is the second syllable and therefore the second and third consonant (/t/ + /?/, probably /s/) merged together into /t͡s/?
Ummm... I think I just need to give some more clues here as opposed to a direct answer.

It was the third syllable of the original words that got deleted after some reductions, and the second syllable ended up becoming what is now the "center" of the word. As far as the ending goes, there was some regular (and somewhat un-naturalistic) vowel metathesis that occurred, which put the <i> where it is after it switched with the <u> that now resides at the end.

(Hopefully this helps people get on the right track.)
Last edited by Thrice Xandvii on 07 Oct 2017 05:49, edited 1 time in total.
Image

User avatar
qwed117
mongolian
mongolian
Posts: 4400
Joined: 20 Nov 2014 02:27

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by qwed117 » 04 Oct 2017 02:16

Ah, so it was -em in VL?
Spoiler:
My minicity is Zyphrazia and Novland
What is made of man will crumble away.

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 04 Oct 2017 06:52

[cross] Nuh-uh.
Image

User avatar
ixals
sinic
sinic
Posts: 374
Joined: 28 Jul 2015 17:43

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by ixals » 04 Oct 2017 16:17

So the original two words were something like "tanCu(CVC)i..#" then?
Native: :deu:
Learning: :gbr:, :fra:, :por:, :tur:

Цiски a Central Slavic conlang
Noattȯč a future German conlang [on hold]
Tungōnis Vīdīnōs Proto-Germanic goes Romance [on hold]

User avatar
Thrice Xandvii
darkness
darkness
Posts: 3829
Joined: 25 Nov 2012 10:13
Location: Carnassus

Re: Guess the Word in Romlangs

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 05 Oct 2017 02:28

ixals wrote:tanCuCV..Ci#
[tick] [tick] [tick] [tick] [cross] [tick] [cross] .. [tick] [tick]#
Image

Post Reply