A man walks into a bar

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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by eldin raigmore » 05 Dec 2017 19:48

"A stupid man walks into a bar"
or
"A man stupidly walks into a bar"
or
"A man walks into a stupid bar"

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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Parlox » 05 Dec 2017 20:25

Meskosi Saítin has no word for alcohol, the speakers call it a "stupid drink" because it causes people to act stupidly. "Stupid drink place" is used to describe a place where "stupid drinks" are sold, a bar.
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire, a fusion of Welsh and Arabic.

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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Creyeditor » 05 Dec 2017 20:29

I hadn't thought of this [:D]
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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Iyionaku » 05 Dec 2017 20:47

Parlox wrote:
05 Dec 2017 20:25
Meskosi Saítin has no word for alcohol, the speakers call it a "stupid drink" because it causes people to act stupidly. "Stupid drink place" is used to describe a place where "stupid drinks" are sold, a bar.
How would they say "a stupid bar", then? [Because there are certainly very, very stupid bars]
Nílí nílí umkonauí ek?

By the way, I always love to see crazy etmologies for "normal" terms whereupon you would have never thought - but I just can't really see people talking like that.

"Hey, over there seems to be a lovely stupid drink place!"
"Good evening guys, what would you like?"
"Could you just bring us eight glasses of stupid drinks?"
"Red berry stupid drink or barley stupid drink?"
"Barley, please"

...aaaand you have a new, shorter term for "Beer" that people most likely will prefer over time, at least in colloquial speech. Then you can easily go to "Barley ek". (Don't see this as a critizism, I love the soun of nílí umkonauí ek - but I'd propably not use it if I spoke Meskosi Saítin)
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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Parlox » 05 Dec 2017 21:06

Iyionaku wrote:
05 Dec 2017 20:47
Parlox wrote:
05 Dec 2017 20:25
Meskosi Saítin has no word for alcohol, the speakers call it a "stupid drink" because it causes people to act stupidly. "Stupid drink place" is used to describe a place where "stupid drinks" are sold, a bar.
How would they say "a stupid bar", then? [Because there are certainly very, very stupid bars]
Nílí nílí umkonauí ek?

By the way, I always love to see crazy etmologies for "normal" terms whereupon you would have never thought - but I just can't really see people talking like that.

"Hey, over there seems to be a lovely stupid drink place!"
"Good evening guys, what would you like?"
"Could you just bring us eight glasses of stupid drinks?"
"Red berry stupid drink or barley stupid drink?"
"Barley, please"

...aaaand you have a new, shorter term for "Beer" that people most likely will prefer over time, at least in colloquial speech. Then you can easily go to "Barley ek". (Don't see this as a critizism, I love the soun of nílí umkonauí ek - but I'd propably not use it if I spoke Meskosi Saítin)
Most somewhat complicated terms are rather lengthy in Meskosi Saítin, and most of the speakers don't drink alcohol anyways. When they do they usually drink banana wine bought directly from a brewery, they don't have the concept of a bar.

And the speakers prefer to say "banana stupid drink" over "banana drink" because they do drink banana juices, and this could cause some confusion.
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire, a fusion of Welsh and Arabic.

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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by ixals » 31 Mar 2018 19:13

:con: Cissian

“to go into”
Мъж иде в крчму.
/mɘʒ iˈdʲe ʋ krt͡ʃˈmu/
[mɘʐ iˈɟeu̯ kr̩t͡ʂˈmu]
myž-∅ id-yé v krčm-u
man-SG.NOM go.IMP.CNC-3SG into tavern-SG.ACC

“A man walks into a bar.”

“to enter”
Мъж вхоѕi в крчму.
/mɘʒ ˈʋxo.dzʲi ʋ krt͡ʃˈmu/
[mɘʐ ˈfxɔ.d̪͡z̪ʲu kr̩t͡ʂˈmu] ~ [... ˈfxɔ.d̪͡z̪ʲiu̯ ...] ~ [... ˈfxɔ.d̪͡z̪ʲif ...]
myž-∅ vxódz-yi v krčm-u
man-SG.NOM enter.IMP-3SG into tavern-SG.ACC

“A man walks into a bar.”
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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Birdlang » 07 Apr 2018 21:15

A man walks into a bar...
Mozhé konyut swaswiyé ålhus
/mo.ʒe ko.ɲʊt swɑɦ.sɥɛː ɔːɫ.hʉs/
Man walk into bar
Mozhé is from Russian
Ålhus is from Swedish
There is no difference between that and enter a bar except the word entræ /ɑ̃.tʁɛ/ which means enter.
Ꭓꭓ Ʝʝ Ɬɬ Ɦɦ Ɡɡ Ɥɥ Ɫɫ Ɽɽ Ɑɑ Ɱɱ Ɐɐ Ɒɒ Ɓɓ Ɔɔ Ɖɖ Ɗɗ Əə Ɛɛ Ɠɠ Ɣɣ Ɯɯ Ɲɲ Ɵɵ Ʀʀ Ʃʃ Ʈʈ Ʊʊ Ʋʋ Ʒʒ Ꞵꞵ Ʉʉ Ʌʌ Ŋŋ Ɂɂ Ɪɪ Ææ Øø Ð𠌜 Ɜɜ Ǝɘ

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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Omzinesý » 08 Apr 2018 17:49

'A man went to the bar.'
Kóže menti baru.
[ku:ʒɜ ment-i bɒ:rɜ]
kóže men-t-i bare
man.NOM go-PERFVE.PST-3 bar.ACC

'A man walked to the bar.'
Kóže žaîti bare.
[ku:ʒɜ ʒäʟtɨ bɒ:rɜ]
kóže žaî-ti bare
man.NOM walk-PERFVE.PST-3 bar.ACC

'A man and a gorilla walked to the bar.'
Kóže ja gorille žaîti bare.
[ku:ʒɜ jä go:ril ʒäʟtɨ bɒ:rɜ]
kóže ja goril žaî-ti bare
man.NOM and gorilla.NOM walk-PERFVE.PST-3 bar.ACC

'A man and a gorilla walked to the inside of the bar.'
Kóže ja gorille žaîti bare sis.
[ku:ʒɜ jä go:ril ʒäʟtɨ bɒ:rɜ sis]
kóže ja goril žaî-ti bare sis
man.NOM and gorilla.NOM walk-PERFVE.PST-3 bar.ACC inside

'There is a man who walked to the bar.'
Les kože bare žaîgit.
[les ku:ʒɜ bɒ:rɜ ʒäʟgɨt]
le-s kože bare žaîgi-t
be-3 man bar.ACC walk-PTCP.ANTERIOR

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Re: A man walks into a bar

Post by Nortaneous » 24 Apr 2018 15:01

Amqoli has productive morphology for deriving verbs of motion from nouns, and that's the default way of handling constructions like these.
bgul barshixs
man bar-V>N.into-3M.ABS

If you want "walks", add an adverb:
bgul qalib barshixs

If for whatever reason you want to topicalize "bar", derive the verb instead from a pronoun, mark "bar" in the instrumental/adverbial, and add a topic marker to the verb.
barya bgul meshchixs
bar-INS man TOP.3IS-3S.INAN-V>N.into-3M.ABS

However, the animate-inanimate pronominal distinction would probably be lost in the colloquial register.
barya bgul menchixs
bar-INS man TOP.3IS-3S.INAN-V>N.into-3M.ABS

To topicalize "man", on the other hand, just add a topic marker.
bgul tebarshixs
man TOP.3MT-bar-V>N.into-3M.ABS

If it's a woman walking into the bar, you'll need different topic and absolutive markers:
malyu bebarshxesh
woman TOP.3FT-bar-V>N.into-3F.ABS

And if it's a drunk staggering into the bar, the noun class system is sufficiently modular to express this:
buzhikshi tubarshixs
drunk TOP.3ML-bar-V>N.into-3M.ABS

Maybe the drunk is female:
buzhikshpa tsubarshxesh
female_drunk TOP.3FL-bar-V>N.into-3F.ABS

What about multiple subjects? Here's what it looks like when your mom and a gorilla walk into a bar.
memandza gorilasha tebarshixs
mother-2.POSS gorilla=AND TOP.3MT-bar-V>N.into-3M.ABS

The type system doesn't bother to make casts well-defined; the default is whichever is closest to the verb. It would be confusing otherwise. The Dzexali can't be bothered with nonsense like agreement systems. Or at least that's what they tell any confused Enze grammarians who end up there. (The Amqoli inflectional system is generally in an advanced state of decay, at least compared to Deghuri on the other side of the family; Rengni, however, has lost even more of it. The question of whether this was caused by Vengic influence or due to pre-existing trends within the entire branch would occupy roughly the same status as the question of the extent of Celtic influence on English if anyone actually spoke Rengni, and if the Vian and Narng didn't hate their guts. As it stands, the principles of historical linguistics being generally known, the language is only of influence to the few Enze who are bored enough and sturdy enough to make it across the Ijindh.)
gorilasha memandza bebarshxesh
mother-2.POSS gorilla=AND TOP.3FT-bar-V>N.into-3F.ABS

Speaking of Vian (a somewhat derogatory exonym for the imperial linguistic standard of the Zzxzzyx), it is generally a simpler language, and does not cause so many headaches.
tzn kup wzt jje chi ye bbatrzp
[tə̄ɴ kù wə́ ⁿdzē tɕī jē ⁿbáɾə̀]
man PST walk go_to inside of bar

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