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The beginning of the end

Post by Parlox » 05 Oct 2017 20:14

I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

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Ipidapadsa
[ɪpɪdapadsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
Last edited by Parlox on 07 Oct 2017 19:15, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by eldin raigmore » 06 Oct 2017 03:24

Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
Interesting!

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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Iyionaku » 07 Oct 2017 17:42

Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
The example doesn't seem to match with the IPA transcription. Are you sure you didn't confuse your prefixes?
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Post by Parlox » 07 Oct 2017 19:15

Iyionaku wrote:
Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
The example doesn't seem to match with the IPA transcription. Are you sure you didn't confuse your prefixes?
Thanks for catching that!
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire, a fusion of Welsh and Arabic.

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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Dormouse559 » 07 Oct 2017 20:21

Parlox wrote:
Iyionaku wrote:
Parlox wrote:I wanted to try out some of Pod's cases so i came up with this.

Pod
Ipidapadsa
[apadɪpɪdsa]
INIT-TERM-DEF
The beginning of the end.
The example doesn't seem to match with the IPA transcription. Are you sure you didn't confuse your prefixes?
Thanks for catching that!
Did the IPA version mean "the end of the beginning"?

Now to give some translations. French, c'est du gâteau:

:fra: French
le début de la fin
/lə de.by d‿la fɛ̃/
DEF-M beginning of DEF-F end


Romanglic switches things around:

:eng: :lat: Romanglic
Conclusion commencement

But Silvish is harder. I wanted to see what options there are for "beginning", so I looked to Arpitan for more ideas. But for "begin", several dialects use what appears to be a cognate of French enrayer. Thing is, enrayer means "stop". So maybe there's some funky semantic shift going on here, or the two verbs were formed from the same elements with different metaphorical reasoning. Whatever's going on, I want to figure it out before I decide how to say "begin".

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Post by lsd » 07 Oct 2017 21:25

:con: ööriinkhelgazar zywz yayw'w
|first of last[
beginning of end

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Post by Fluffy8x » 08 Oct 2017 05:33

:con: Arka [:P]

kit e took
start of end

:con: Ḋraħýl Rase

denúl matanew
end-GEN INCHOATIVE-go-V>N

:con: Varta Avina

to suumi toa to noomi
V>N begin of V>N end
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Post by Parlox » 08 Oct 2017 06:00

Migyur
Phaqhukaaybh nyabihwku
[fɑʁɯ̽kɑæv ɲɑbɪːwkɯ̽]
beginning-DEF.NOM-RLT.SING.MASC ending-DEF.ACC
The beginning of the end

RLT is a gloss for the relational case.
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
  • :con: Oddúhath Claire, a fusion of Welsh and Arabic.

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Post by marvelous » 08 Oct 2017 08:09

The Lonian languages share a common figurative term for the beginning of the end. In some of them its component parts have ceased to be productive or the etymology has otherwise been obscured by the root taken on a different meaning.

:con: Ganur Lon

kadlar
/ˈkad.lar/
sun-SUP
the summer solstice

:con: Khan Nilau Khaftim

kattlatj
/ˈkat.tlatʲ/
sun-SUP
the summer solstice

:con: Pejlanrau Khaneč Khaftim

kattlač
/ˈkat.tlatɕ/
sun-SUP
the summer solstice

:con: Gãdũ Fav

kadrar
/ˈkad.rar/
peak.or.solstice
the peak/solstice

:con: Nummiinmaak Niloo

kadlal
/ˈkad.lal/
summer.solstice
the summer solstice
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Post by Reyzadren » 08 Oct 2017 13:09

:con: griuskant (without the conscript)

yujae yaj.
/'judʒe 'jadʒ/
last-POSS first
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Post by Imralu » 08 Oct 2017 18:36

:tan: Swahili:

mwanzo wa mwisho
beginning(3) 3-GEN end(3)
the beginning of the end

These words are derived from the verbs kuanza "to start/begin/commence" (the source of Swahili kwanza "first", which is also the source of the English Kwanzaa) and kwisha "to finish".
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific, AG = agent, E = entity (person, animal, thing)
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Post by eldin raigmore » 08 Oct 2017 22:49

marvelous wrote:The Lonian languages share a common figurative term for the beginning of the end. In some of them its component parts have ceased to be productive or the etymology has otherwise been obscured by the root taken on a different meaning.
...
the summer solstice
...
the summer solstice
If "the beginning of the end" is homophonous with "the summer solstice", is "the winter solstice" homophonous with "the end of the beginning"?

How do they describe (or, rather, denote) the opening, the midgame, and the endgame, of a chess match?

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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Iyionaku » 09 Oct 2017 07:04

:con: Yélian

Æ'perdu o'péredan
[əˈpeɾdu ɔ̈ˈpeːɾədɐn]
DEF.CONC=start DEF.GEN=end
The beginning of the end

Interesting that Yélian derives both "beginning" and "end" from the same root *prd. I don't know if I can keep it that way...

:con: Caelian

Wyamted bardijen
[ʋamˈtʰɛd baɾˈdi̯ɛn]
start.NOM end.GEN
The beginning of the end

:con: Ular

Ular switches both around.

截手的启手
Jōmngâ pō phûnngá

[jɔm˧ŋɑ˧˥ pɔ˧ pʰun˧˥ŋɑ˥]
end-NOMZ GEN start-NOMZ
The end's beginning

:con: Bath'aso

[Not possible to express in Orkish on it's own, so I'll make a sentence out of it: "This is the beginning of the end"

Zhuts jat shext jorat.
[ʐut͡s jɑt ʂɛxt jɔrɑt]
INIT DEM.PROX TERM DEM.DIST
This begins, that ends.

:con: Paatherye

मै ठनि षुड़ु
May thani șuru

[maɪ̯ ˈtʰani ˈʃuɾu]
DEF.GEN end.GEN beginning.NOM
The end's beginning
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Iyionaku » 09 Oct 2017 07:16

:deu: German

Der Anfang vom Ende
[dɛɐ̯ ˈʔanfaŋ fɔm ˈʔɛndə]
DEF.MASC.NOM beginning.NOM of=DEF end.DAT
The beginning of the end

:chn: Mandarin

结局的开始
Jiéjú de kāishǐ

[͡tʂi̯ɛ˨˦͡tʂy˧˥ tə kʰai̯˥ʂɹ̩˨˩˦]
end GEN beginning
The beginning of the end

:tur: Turkish

sonun başlangıcı
[sonun baslangɯt͡ʃɯ]
end-GEN beginning-ACC [o.O]
The end's beginning
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Imralu » 09 Oct 2017 11:09

Iyionaku wrote::tur: Turkish

sonun başlangıcı
[sonun baʃlaŋd͡ʒɯ]
end-GEN beginning-POSS.3s
In accusative, that becomes sonun başlangıcını

son-(n)4n başlangıç/c-(s)4(n)-(y)4
end-GEN beginning-POSS.3s-DEF.ACC


(Letters in brackets are epenthetic. 4 refers to the four way high vowel harmony)
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by marvelous » 10 Oct 2017 11:49

eldin raigmore wrote:
marvelous wrote:The Lonian languages share a common figurative term for the beginning of the end. In some of them its component parts have ceased to be productive or the etymology has otherwise been obscured by the root taken on a different meaning.
...
the summer solstice
...
the summer solstice
If "the beginning of the end" is homophonous with "the summer solstice", is "the winter solstice" homophonous with "the end of the beginning"?

How do they describe (or, rather, denote) the opening, the midgame, and the endgame, of a chess match?
The winter solstice would be the beginning of the beginning, but it's not said that way; you would just say "nillar" (~= the supreme beginning). To say the end of the beginning, which tends not to be said as far as I know, you would say pekaltum nir, literally "the end of the beginning."

I have not incorporated chess into this world. I would like to be a bit more inventive in putting a chess-like or go-like game into the world, but I'm not sure what I will end up doing; I may just put chess into the world the way I've put a lot of other familiar things into it.

Thanks for the questions.
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Re: The beginning of the end

Post by Creyeditor » 10 Oct 2017 14:06

:con: Project Tri3
Fihrat nifn.
/fi:xrat ni:fn̩/
fihr-at nifng
end\ACT.NMLZ-POSSD start\ACT.NMLZ
The beginning of the end.
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