The Snowball Game returns

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The Snowball Game returns

Post by Khemehekis » 07 Sep 2019 08:39

Phoenix-like from the ashes of the purge, it's back!

I started this game back in 2012 when a lot of you were expressing frustration at, or boredom with, creating words. You wanted to have a grammar as detailed and complete as, say, Siu,a's, without having to make thousands and thousands of words like Talossan or Kankonian or Arka or Itlani or Alurhsa.

For those who are new, or just need a refresher:

All the sentences will be written with only 625 (five to the fourth power!) nouns, action verbs, linking verbs and adjectives, plus the selection of common given names listed. That means you'll only have to create a maximum of 625-ish words (maybe a bit more if you split up the semantic space more) from these lexical classes as you develop your language. You could come up with equivalents for them all before you start this game, but if you run through them too fast you run the risk of relexing this list. (<---- Ooh! Tongue-twister!)

This list covers only content words; you're free to use whatever numbers, adverbs, adpositions, prefixes, suffixes, conjunctions, helping verbs, noun declensions, verb inflections, interjections, comparison markers, relatives, determiners, miscellaneous particles and pronouns you wish. Think of your sentences as like a mollusc: the nouns, proper names, action verbs, and adjectives are like the shell, and the function words, numbers and pronouns are like the soft part. Using "Alice", "feed", "green", "apple" and "goat", you can make "Alice was about to feed the greenest of her apples to that goat over there".

As I mentioned before, I've included some names. If you have a language that evolved on Earth, or an auxlang, or an altlang, you can have these evolve in their own way. If you have a language from another planet or a language that was isolated from Indo-European and Biblical names until recent times, you may either use these names unchanged, or adapt these to the current phonology of your conlang (the way Dave becomes Deebu in Japanese).

The words:

I've recalibrated the words to remove semantic distinctions not made in English, as well as many part-of-speech distinctions, since I found many players were ignoring them. So we still have 625, and since players were complaining about important, basic words that were missing, I added some new words, partly from suggestions (like "cabbage" and "toe"), and partly from filling it up with the most common content words. The net total of non-name content words remains at 625. I also increased the quota of names from 50 to 72, adding 11 new girls' names (Brittany, Carly, Ellie, Emma, Grace, Madison, Pam, Samantha, Sophie, Taylor, Vanessa) and 11 new boys' names (Adam, Ben, Ethan, Jeff, Nate, Rick, Ryan, Sam, Tyler, Will, Zach), so the total including the names has increased from 675 to 697.

Some names:

Alice
Amanda
Anne
Ashley
Becky
Brittany
Carly
Christine
Claire
Elizabeth
Ellie
Emma
Grace
Jennifer
Jessica
Joan
Julie
Kate
Laura
Madison
Mary
Meg
Michelle
Natalie
Nicole
Pam
Rachel
Ruth
Samantha
Sarah
Sharon
Sophie
Stephanie
Susan
Taylor
Vanessa
Adam
Alan
Alex
Andy
Ben
Brandon
Brian
Chris
Dan
Dave
Ethan
Greg
Jeff
Jim
Joey
John
Josh
Justin
Kevin
Mark
Matt
Mike
Nate
Nick
Paul
Peter
Rick
Rob
Ryan
Sam
Steve
Tom
Tony
Tyler
Will
Zach

Adjectives:

bad
big, large
clean
cold
cool
deep
different
dirty
dry
dull
empty
fast
first
flat
full
good
hard
heavy
high
hot
huge
last
lightweight
little, small
long
low
narrow
new
old
right, correct
rough
round
same
shallow
sharp
short
slow
smooth
soft
straight
thick
thin
tiny
warm
wet
wide
wrong

Color words:

black
blue
brown
green
grey
orange
pink
purple
red
white
yellow

dark
light
striped

Sides:

back
bottom
corner
front
left
middle
right
top

Linking verbs:

to be
to become, to get, to turn
to feel
to look
to seem, to appear to be
to smell
to sound
to stay, to remain, to keep
to taste

Vaic verbs (some languages make these aspects):

to begin, to start
to continue
to finish, to complete
to stop, to end

Events:

accident
birthday
breakfast
date
dinner, supper
meeting
lunch
party
race
shower
trip
vacation (US)/holiday (UK)
war
wedding

Entertainment words:

ball
game
to lose
movie, film
to play
to take (a photo)
to watch
to win

Money words:

cheap
coin
to cost
dollar (or other monetary unit)
expensive
money
poor
rich
to work

Thinking verbs:

to agree
to believe, to think
to decide
to dream
to know
to learn
to think
to understand, to see
to wonder

Feeling verbs:

to feel
to hate
to like (doesn't need to be expressed by a verb)
to love
to miss
to want, would like

Speaking verbs:

to apologize
to argue
to ask
to call
to lie
to mean
to meet
to reply, to answer
to request, to ask for/that
to say
to speak, to talk
to teach
to tell
to thank

Giving and receiving:

to borrow
to bring
to buy
to feed
to find
to get, to come to have, to obtain
to give
to go shopping
to have, to possess, to own
to lend
to lose
to need
to pay
to sell
to send
to share
to steal
to take

Verbs of physical contact:

to kiss
to pick
to play (an instrument)
to pull
to push
to rub
to shake
to squeeze
to tap (on the shoulder)
to touch

Verbs of position:

to fall
to lie, to recline
to sit
to stand

Verbs of handling matter:

to break
to carry
to close
to cut
to dig
to open
to put
to shatter
to split
to squash, to crush
to tear
to throw
to wash
to wipe

Expressions and gestures:

to cry
to laugh
to smile

Bodily functions:

to bleed
to break wind, to fart, to pass gas
to breathe
to cough
to defecate, to take a dump, to do one’s business
to drink
to eat
to have sex, to sleep with, to make love, to fornicate
to live
to smoke
to sleep
to spit
to suck
to swallow
to sweat, to perspire
to swell
to urinate, to pee, to piss, to make water, to take a leak
to vomit, to throw up, to puke
to wake up
to yawn

The five senses:

color
to feel
to hear
to look
to paint (a house, etc.)
picture
to see
shadow
to show
sign
to smell
sound
to taste

Verbs of movement:

to climb
to come
to crawl
to dance
to drive
to fly
to go
to go down, to descend
to go up, to ascend
to jump
to leave
to move
to return
to ride (a bicycle, a camel, etc.)
to run
to swim
to turn
to walk

Verbs of physical aggression:

to bite
to hit
to kick
to kill
to scratch
to shoot
to stab

Some nature words:

air
ashes
beach
cloud
desert
diamond
dust
earth
fire
forest
glass
gold
ice
iron
island
lake
light
metal
moon
mountain
ocean, sea
rain
river
rock, stone
salt
sand
silver
sky
snow
soil, dirt
space
star
sun
valley
water
wind
wood
world

to burn
to float
to flow
to freeze
to sink

Husbandry and farming words:

to fish
to hunt
to plant

Time words:

afternoon
autumn, fall
day (time it takes a planet to rotate on its axis)
day, daytime
early
evening
hour (or equivalent)
late
month
morning
night
spring
summer
time
week
winter
year

Food and drink:

to bake
beef
beer
bread
cake
chicken
chocolate
to cook
cookie, biscuit
egg
fish
food
fruit
ham
honey
juice
meat
milk
nut
pie
pork
salad
sauce
soup
sugar
vegetable

fresh
rotten

Places:

bank
bar
bridge
church/temple
cinema, movie theater
city, town
country, nation, state, land
garden
home, house
hospital
hotel
library
park
restaurant
restroom
road
school
store, shop
street
tower

to build

Music words:

band
concert
drum
guitar
to listen
music
piano
to sing
song

Published material words:

book
card
dictionary
to draw
homework
letter (written message)
magazine
newspaper
test, exam
word
to write

Containers:

bag
basket
bottle
box

Vehicles:

airplane
bicycle
boat
bus
car, automobile
motorcycle
ship
skateboard
taxi
train
truck
wagon
wheel

Weapons:

arrow
gun
rope
spear

Household objects:

bed
camera
CD
cellphone
chair
computer
door
headphones
knife
mirror
paper
pen
pencil
photograph
radio
refrigerator
room
soap
table
telephone, phone
television, TV
wall
window

Clothes:

belt
button
clothes
coat
glove
hat
jacket
pants
ring, piercing
shirt
shoe
shorts
skirt
sock
sunglasses
T-shirt
watch
to wear

Plant words:

apple
banana
bark
bean
bush
cabbage
coffee
corn, maize
flower
grass
leaf
onion
orange
pepper (Capsicum)
plant
potato
rice
root
rose
seed
stick
tomato
tree

Animal words:

animal
ant
bear
bird
camel
cat
chicken
cow
dog
elephant
feather
fish
fly
goat
horse
human
insect
lamb
lion
monkey
mouse
pig
rabbit
sheep
shell
snake
spider
tail
wing
worm

Human body:

abdomen
arm
back
blood
body
bone
breast
ear
eye
face
finger
foot
hair
hand
head
heart
knee
leg
mouth
nail
neck
nose
shoulder
skin
tear
toe
tongue
tooth

Physical description:

beard
beautiful, pretty
blind
blonde
curly
freckles
glasses
handsome, attractive
hazel
messy (of hair)
old
short (height)
straight (hair)
tall
ugly
wavy
young

Physical condition:

(to be) cold
(to be) hot
(to be) hungry
(to be) thirsty
(to be) tired

alive
dead

Events in life:

to be born
to die
to have (a baby)
to marry

Emotions:

afraid
angry
bored
excited
happy
interested
proud
sad
sorry
surprised

Kinship terms:

brother
child (reciprocal of parent)
daughter
father
husband
mother
parents
sister
son
wife

People

adult
baby
boy (young man)
child
girl (young woman)
little boy
little girl
man
person, people
teen, adolescent
woman

actress/actor
artist
doctor
farmer
fisherman
friend
king
neighbor
president or prime minister, whichever your connation has
priest
prince
princess
queen
sailor
scientist
soldier
student
teacher
waiter/waitress/server
warrior

A few very basic verbs:

to be (location)
to change
to do, to perform
to happen
to help
to let
to make (create)
to make (cause to be)
to try, to attempt
to use
to wait

And finally, some general nouns:

class
group
kind, type, sort
life
name
pair, couple
place
system
team
thing
way



An alphabetical listing of the non-name words:
Spoiler:
abdomen
accident
actress/actor
adult
afraid
afternoon
agree
air
airplane
alive
angry
animal
ant
apologize
apple
argue
arm
arrow
artist
ashes
ask
autumn, fall
baby
back
back
bad
bag
bake
ball
banana
band
bank
bar
bark
basket
be
be (location)
beach
bean
bear
beard
beautiful, pretty
become, to get, to turn
bed
beef
beer
begin, to start
believe, to think
belt
bicycle
big, large
bird
birthday
bite
black
bleed
blind
blonde
blood
blue
boat
body
bone
book
bored
born
borrow
bottle
bottom
box
boy (young man)
bread
break
break wind, to fart, to pass gas
breakfast
breast
breathe
bridge
bring
brother
brown
build
burn
bus
bush
button
buy
cabbage
cake
call (refer to by a certain name)
camel
camera
car, automobile
card
carry
cat
CD
cell phone
chair
change
cheap
chicken
chicken
child
child (reciprocal of parent)
chocolate
church/temple
cinema, movie theater
city, town
class
clean
climb
close
clothes
cloud
coat
coffee
coin
cold
cold
color
come
computer
concert
continue
cook
cookie, biscuit
cool
corn, maize
corner
cost
cough
country, nation, state, land
cow
crawl
cry
curly
cut
dance
dark
date
daughter
day (time it takes a planet to rotate on its axis)
day, daytime
dead
decide
deep
defecate, to take a dump, to do one’s business
desert
diamond
dictionary
die
different
dig
dinner, supper
dirty
do, to perform
doctor
dog
dollar (or other monetary unit)
door
draw
dream
drink
drive
drum
dry
dull
dust
ear
early
earth
eat
egg
elephant
empty
evening
excited
expensive
eye
face
fall
farmer
fast
father
feather
feed
feel
feel
feel
find
finger
finish, to complete
fire
first
fish
fish
fish
fisherman
flat
float
flow
flower
fly
fly
food
foot
forest
freckles
freeze
fresh
friend
front
fruit
full
game
garden
get, to come to have, to obtain
girl (young woman)
give
glass
glasses
glove
go
go down, to descend
go shopping
go up, to ascend
goat
gold
good
grass
green
grey
group
guitar
gun
hair
ham
hand
handsome, attractive
happen
happy
hard
hat
hate
have (a baby)
have sex, to sleep with, to make love, to fornicate
have, to possess, to own
hazel
head
headphones
hear
heart
heavy
help (assist)
high
hit
home, house
homework
honey
horse
hospital
hot
hot
hotel
hour (or equivalent)
huge
human
hungry
hunt
husband
ice
insect
interested
iron
island
jacket
juice
jump
kick
kill
kind, type, sort
king
kiss
knee
knife
know
lake
lamb
last
late
laugh
leaf
learn
leave
left
leg
lend
let
letter (written message)
library
lie
lie, to recline
life
light
light
lightweight
like (doesn't need to be expressed by a verb)
lion
listen
little boy
little girl
little, small
live
long
look
look
lose
lose
love
low
lunch
magazine
make (cause to be)
make (create)
man
marry
mean
meat
meet
meeting
messy (of hair)
metal
middle
milk
mirror
miss
money
monkey
month
moon
morning
mother
motorcycle
mountain
mouse
mouth
move
movie, film
music
nail
name
narrow
neck
need
neighbor
new
newspaper
night
nose
nut
ocean, sea
old
old
onion
open
orange
orange
paint (a house, etc.)
pair, couple
pants
paper
parents
park
party
pay
pen
pencil
pepper (Capsicum)
person, people
photograph
piano
pick
picture
pie
pig
pink
place
plant
plant
play
play (an instrument)
poor
pork
potato
president or prime minister, whichever your connation has
priest
prince
princess
proud
pull
purple
push
put
queen
rabbit
race
radio
rain
red
refrigerator
reply, to answer
request, to ask for/that
restaurant
restroom
return
rice
rich
ride (a bicycle, a camel, etc.)
right
right, correct
ring, piercing
river
road
rock, stone
room
root
rope
rose
rotten
rough
round
rub
run
sad
sailor
salad
salt
same
sand
sauce
say
school
scientist
scratch
see
seed
seem, to appear to be
sell
send
shadow
shake
shallow
share
sharp
shatter
sheep
shell
ship
shirt
shoe
shoot
short
short (height)
shorts
shoulder
show
shower
sign
silver
sing
sink
sister
sit
skateboard
skin
skirt
sky
sleep
slow
smell
smell
smile
smoke
smooth
snake
snow
soap
sock
soft
soil, dirt
soldier
son
song
sorry
sound
sound
soup
space
speak, to talk
spear
spider
spit
split
spring
squash, to crush
squeeze
stab
stand
star
stay, to remain, to keep
steal
stick
stop, to end
store, shop
straight
straight (hair)
street
striped
student
suck
sugar
summer
sun
sunglasses
surprised
swallow
sweat, to perspire
swell
swim
system
T-shirt
table
tail
take
take (a photo)
tall
tap (on the shoulder)
taste
taste
taxi
teach
teacher
team
tear
tear
teen, adolescent
telephone, phone
television, TV
tell
test, exam
thank
thick
thin
thing
think
thirsty
throw
time
tiny
tired
toe
tomato
tongue
tooth
top
touch
tower
train
tree
trip
truck
try, to attempt
turn
ugly
understand, to see
urinate, to pee, to piss, to make water, to take a leak
use
vacation (US)/holiday (UK)
valley
vegetable
vomit, to throw up, to puke
wagon
wait
waiter/waitress/server
wake up
walk
wall
want, would like
war
warm
warrior
wash
watch
watch
water
wavy
way
wear
wedding
week
wet
wheel
white
wide
wife
win
wind
window
wing
winter
wipe
woman
wonder
wood
word
work
world
worm
write
wrong
yawn
year
yellow
young
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How to play:

The first person creates a sentence from these words, and translates it into her/his conlang, with a gloss.

The next person translates that sentence into her/his own conlang, then adds a sentence or her/his own, also translated into her/his conlang.

Each person will translate all the previous sentences, and add one each time. The sentences should all be translated into that conlanger's own conlang, so the list of sentences (and workload) grows like a snowball.

For example:

Joey writes:
Komgithrian:
I painted the door purple.
Tumayafoy wa ludigavhiq phamist.
paint-RECENT.PST-1sg 1sg purple-MAS-OBL door-ACC
Then Sam writes:
Nharistani:
I painted the door purple.
Onhukhez shyhakh triphouzh.
purple-FEM.SG.DAT door-FEM.SG.ACC 1sg.MAS.PST.TELIC-paint

Becky made a coat of feathers for her father.
Beki dhutalh&oacute;s khramel psistend.
Becky-FEM.SINGULAR.NOM father-3sg.FEM.GEN-MAS.SG.BEN coat-MAS.SG.ACC 3sg.FEM.PST.TELIC-make
Then Jacqlyn writes:

Gwapikiru:
I painted the door purple.
Ki ru pikawa si xuqwa 'upapi.
1sg PST paint DEF.ALIENABLE door purple

Becky made a coat of feathers for her father.
Ta Biki ru vuxu 'i'a kwi gwagwa rida davu vuqa
NAME Becky PST make BEN GEN.3sg.INALIENABLE father coat made.out.of feather

Jim was listening to music with his eyes closed.
Ta Jimu ra 'imu la kwi kaku 'a'i 'uni mina qatiji.
NAME Jim PPART close ADJ GEN.3sg.INALIENABLE eyes IMPF hear music
And so on.

If Joey should participate in the snowballing a second time, he does not need to translate the sentences he's already done the first time he took a turn. He can just list the other three sentences in English, then add a new fourth sentence, with his translation in Komgithrian.

Tips on playing:

*Write sentences that are good at demonstrating some aspect of grammar, be it verb tense, cases, aktionsart, order of adjectives and nouns in certain situations, or whatever.
*Sentences that deal with aspects of grammar often overlooked in conlangers' grammars are good. Things such as object complements, oblique pronouns, polite order of pronouns, possessed actions ("John's playing the guitar at night made me wake up"), etc.
*Aim to create sentences that are different from the ones created before and demonstrate new grammatical phenomena. On the other hand, two similar sentences can help demonstrate subtle but important semantic differences (as with the famous pair of sentences "Ellen wants to marry a Norwegian", meaning "Ellen's partial to Norwegian guys", and "Ellen wants to marry a Norwegian", meaning "The fiancé of Ellen happens to be Norwegian").
*Most of all, have fun!

Let's begin.

1. Jim aparen palat, mui piva az palatenen bein en Kate.
Jim feel-PST tap_on_the_shoulder and girl REL tap_on_the_shoulder-PST-PST boy PST Kate
Jim felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate.
Last edited by Khemehekis on 24 Sep 2019 08:38, edited 6 times in total.
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Lao Kou
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Re: The Snowball Game returns

Post by Lao Kou » 08 Sep 2019 00:23

1. Jimbauths lé sö nlöbetebsöt chü akhaksüv chfuth, de Kéts lé nöi.
Jim-NOM AUX.PAST INDEF tap-ACC DEF shoulder-LOC feel, and Kate-NOM AUX.PAST be
Jim felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate.

2. Étans lé, gü thpau löin chau ndürsaut höi chau ídwönarsaut chöi pebözhatsöiv shöi höizhövakh sho, kfömöl.
Ethan-NOM AUX.PAST, CONJ (same.subject)-NOM AUX.PASTPRF.CAUS DEF younger.brother-ACC PTCL DEF tongue-ACC DEF metal.bar-LOC let.PASTPRF freeze-DISC PTCL, apologize
Ethan apologized for letting his little brother freeze his tongue to the metal bar.
Last edited by Lao Kou on 13 Sep 2019 22:27, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: The Snowball Game returns

Post by Dormouse559 » 08 Sep 2019 02:57

1. Jàcou santi in potou desus l' eppal e ll' ettoû Câtrîn-a.
[ˈʒa.ku sɑ̃ˈti ʔɛ̃m.pəˈtu dəˈsys lɛˈpɑl ʔɛl.lɛˈtuː kɑˈtʁɛ̃ː.ə]
Jàcou feel-PST.3S INDEF.ACC.M.C tap on DEF shoulder.OBL and 3S be-IPF.3S Câtrîn-a.

Jim (Jàcou) felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate (Câtrîn-a).

2. L' Ethan s' esscuza pr avou lahhé sû petyo frâri jila son lìnje contrâ battou in metal.
[ˈliː.θən sɛs.skyˈza pʁəˈvu lɑˈhe syː.pe.tjəˈfʁɑː.ʁi ʒiˈla sŋ̩ˈlɛ̃ɲ.ʒə kɔ̃n.tʁɑː.bɑˈtu ʔɛ̃m.məˈtɑl]
DEF Ethan 3.REFL apologize-PST.3S for have-INF let-PST_PTCP 3S.POSS-ACC.M.N little.ACC.M.C brother-ACC freeze-INF 3S.POSS tongue against-DEF stick in metal

Ethan apologized for letting his little brother freeze his tongue to the metal stick.

3. La granta pîra l' a hû d' lê montânyi, tuan tre pparsôn-a.
[la.gʁɑ̃n.təˈpiː.ʁə ləˈçy dlɛː.mɔ̃ˈtɑː.ɲˑi | tyˈɑ̃ŋ tʁɛp.pɑˈsɔ̃ː.ə]
DEF-F.C big-F.C rock 3S have.3S fall-PST_PTCP.F.C from DEF-OBL.F.C mountain-OBL | kill-GER three PL-person

The big rock fell down the mountain, killing three people.


New/rethought words:
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battou nmc - stick
eppàlle nfc - shoulder
jila v - freeze
lahhé v - let, allow
pîra nfc - rock, stone
potou nmc - tap

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3. Chí kfedhöls gaterel lé chö aubsöv, höi sauk íalörsauch tourauch nggavökhala'u malovürwaz.
DEF rock-NOM big-NOM AUX.PAST DEF mountain-LOC, PTCL INDEF.PL person-ACC.PL three-ACC.PL kill-PTPL.ADV down.fall
The big rock fell down the mountain, killing three people.

4. Sí lí chíl rhadalsím chegvelím che selethsev ba mnévöth hötsébaçauth?
1SG-NOM AUX.FUT DEF.DUAL glove-ACC.DUAL which-ACC.DUAL DEF theatre-LOC PTCL wear shall/should-INTERR
Which gloves shall I wear to the theatre?
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4. Quin jan que jo portarê â teâtrou ?
[kɛ̃ˈʒɑ̃ŋ ke.ʒo.pɔʁ.təˈʁɛː ʔɑːtəˈɑː.tʁu]
which glove REL-ACC 1S.NOM wear-FUT-1S to.DEF.M.C theatre

Which gloves shall I wear to the theatre?

5. Jo t' êdyerê a ffêri tou ddevou, si seûlaman que t' arrès de vela mou llîvrou.
[ʒo.tɛː.djəˈʁɛː ɑˈfɛː.ʁi tud.dəˈvu | si.sœː.ləˈmɑ̃ŋ ke.tɑˈʁɛs de.vəˈla muˈliː.vʁu]
1S.NOM 2S help-FUT-1S to do-INF 2S-POS.M.C.PL PL-homework | if only SBRD 2S stop.PRS_SBJV of steal-INF 1S.POS-M.C.PL book

I'll help you with your homework, as long as you stop stealing my books.

A thing on saying "to steal" in Silvish:
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The Silvish verb meaning "to steal" (and "to fly") has two common forms that, as fate would have it, are pronounced the same in the infinitive: vela and vola (both [vəˈla]). The split occurred through analogy; some dialects remade the conjugation based on the forms where the root was stressed, giving vela, and others analogized based on forms where the root was unstressed, resulting in vola. As there has been more communication between speakers of different dialects, the two forms of the verb have spread into overlapping areas of the "Silvophonie", and many speakers actively use both conjugations. Compare the multiple pronunciations of "caramel" in English. Below are some forms showing the differences between the conjugations:

INF - vela [vəˈla] | vola [vəˈla]
1S.PRS - vêlou [ˈvɛː.lu] | veûlou [ˈvœː.lu]
2S.PRS - véla [ˈve.lə] | veùla [ˈvø.lə]
1S.FUT - velarê [ve.ləˈʁɛː] | volarê [vo.ləˈʁɛː]

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1. Jim yinanet pi to pògres yigabit, èpa vat bit Carta.
[t͡ʃim ɕɨˈnaːnə‿pi tɔ̈ pɔ̈gɾəʃ ɕiˈxaːbɨt, ˈɛpɐ ˈvabɨ‿ˈkaɾtɐ]
Jim PST-feel-3SG that 3SG.MASC.POSS shoulder PST-tap-INV.3SG.ANIM, and DEM COP.3SG.ANIM Kate
Jim felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate.

2. IYtan yaicapunet pi iffostet to namoyeʻal to tyòive cer tuimbran.
[ˈai̯ːtɐn ɕaɪ̯kɐˈpuːnə‿pi ɨˈɸɔ̈ʃtət tɔ̈ ˈnaːmɔ̈ˌʃeːʔɐl tɔ̈ ˈt͡ʃɔʊ̯ʋə kəd̟ ˈtuːmbɾɐn]
Ethan PST-apologize-3SG that let-freeze-3SG 3SG.MASC.POSS brother-young 3SG.MASC.POSS tongue at metal_stick
Ethan apologized for letting his little brother freeze his tongue to the metal stick.

3. Un'èserlota yidenviet aspín roco èpan yòilket palani ti.
[ʉnˈɛsəɾˌloːtɐ ɕɨˈdenvɪ̯ət ɐsˈpiːn ˈɾoːko ˈɛpɐn ɕɔʊ̯lkət ˈpalɐnɨ ti]
DEF.INAN rock-big PST-fall-3SG down mountain and PST-kill-3SG people-PL-ENUM three
The big rock fell down the mountain, killing three people.

4. Rapargai avit vánipulan can pèrelnúm?
[ɾɐˈpaɾgaɪ̯ ˈaːʋɨt ˈvaːnɨpʉlɐn kɐn ˌpɛɾəlˈnuːm]
PROP-wear-1SG which glove-PL for theatre
Which gloves shall I wear to the theatre?

5. Sat robaldai can sao píltivosan fum fadgrezei reo riuran.
[sat ɾɔ̈ˈbaldaɪ̯ kɐn ˈsaʊ̯ ˈpiltɨvɔ̈sɐn ɸum ɸɐ̆ˈgreːɟɛɪ̯ ˈɾeːɔ̈ ˈriː.ʉɾɐn]
2SG.OBL FUT-help-1SG with 2SG.POSS homework-PL as_long_as TERM-steal-2SG 1SG.POSS book-PL
I'll help you with your homework, as long as you stop stealing my books.

New words for this challenge:

tuimbran [ˈtuːmbɾɐn] n. - metal stick
Etymology: from tuim (metal) + baran (stick)

pèrelnúm [ˌpɛɾəlˈnuːm] n.- theatre
Etymology: from pèrel - drama + institution suffix -núm

6. Upasnanet, cut barcai to áivalta valodet cet to méva, miatʻen yeʻalabit?
[ˌuːpɐʃˈnaːnət, kʉ̆‿ˈbaɾkaɪ̯ tɔ̈ ˈaiʋɐltɐ vɐˈloːdə̆t‿ət tɔ̈ ˈmeːʋɐ, ˈmɪ̯atʔən ʃəˈʔaːlabɨt]
odd-feel-3SG, but POL 3SG.MASC.POSS wife look-3SG like 3SG.MASC.POSS mother, but_just young-COMP-COP.3SG.ANIM
It feels a little wrong, but doesn't his wife look like his mother, just younger?
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2. Ethan du*ugen non hemei az arig na zhered pies ad wan teheken ad ghiga lataz.
Ethan apologize-PST for let that tongue of brother little to 3s freeze-PST to stick metal
Ethan apologized for letting his little brother freeze his tongue to the metal stick.

3. Arkhak dom shehe*en bulush wudan mos tethesen em meyez.
rock big fall-PST down mountain while kill-PST three person-PL
The big rock fell down the mountain, killing three people.

4. Is enpumet hiel bapad na viri*es ad lilemalei?
1s wear_on_the_hands-IMPRTV which pair of glove-PL to cinema
Which gloves shall I wear to the theatre?

5. Is kunios ad ar hous bung dung am na ar, hail ar satendos va dartz kahuphas na is.
1s help-FUT to 2s about homework[3words] of 2s as_long_as stop-FUT VA steal book-PL of 1s
I'll help you with your homework, as long as you stop stealing my books.

6. Ham kureshas swe kasht, am ashelti ad wan mutzenass helemas ad wan amoul re mamiz, isnaloshas.
this/that feel-PRS slightly wrong but wife to 3s resemble-PRS mother to 3s but-only COMP young 1s-assume-PRS
It feels a little wrong, but doesn't his wife look like his mother, just younger?

7. Av tzarkharfet az vivuras khofembas zikhethen khofembo yuatz ba zuad, o wahazen em bad na zoth khofembo talenen.
when warrior-EXCPT REL hunt-PRS spider-PL shoot-PST spider huge with arrow one be_able_to-PST see head of aforementioned spider split-PST
When one of the spider-hunting warriors shot a huge spider with an arrow, you could see said spider's head split.
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Post by Khemehekis » 13 Sep 2019 09:42

Lao Kou wrote:
08 Sep 2019 00:23
1. Jimbauths lé sö nlöbetebsöt chü akhaksüv chfuth, de Kéts lé nöi.
Jim-NOM AUX.PAST INDEF tap-ACC DEF shoulder-LOC, and Kate-NOM AUX.PAST be
Jim felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate.
I might be wrong, but it looks to me as if your gloss unintentionally omitted the word for "feel".
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Post by Lao Kou » 13 Sep 2019 22:22

Khemehekis wrote:
13 Sep 2019 09:42
Lao Kou wrote:
08 Sep 2019 00:23
1. Jimbauths lé sö nlöbetebsöt chü akhaksüv chfuth, de Kéts lé nöi.
Jim-NOM AUX.PAST INDEF tap-ACC DEF shoulder-LOC, and Kate-NOM AUX.PAST be
Jim felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate.
I might be wrong, but it looks to me as if your gloss unintentionally omitted the word for "feel".
No, you're not wrong.

chfuth = feel (as in, perceive through the sense of touch)

Duly noted and edited above. Thanks.

I also edited "metal stick" to "metal bar" way back in the beginning of these exercises, and while "bar" is listed as a place one sashays up to for an alcoholic beverage, I nabbed it from the straight alphabetical listing (which I use because I find personally find it much faster) in a sense of "'crowbar' 的 'bar'". Nonetheless, subsequent translators stuck with "stick". (Actually, I was hoping to find "'flagpole' 的 'pole' (as opposed to a capitalized native of Warsaw) which would have been the best, but it wasn't there.")
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5. Sí lín öçket, bdarho thpau lí chík gefrölsích sítelích ba pan hautsöikh sho, chö béöbsalufersöt vdöirhí dravnath.
1SG-NOM AUX.FUT.CAUS 2SG-ACC, as.long.as 2SG.NOM AUX.FUT DEF.PL book-ACC.PL my-ACC.PL PTCL steal stop-SPEC PTCL, DEF homework-ACC help-ADV.FUT do
I'll help you with your homework, as long as you stop stealing my books.

6. Glégzaubü spunon, de va íréveps la va maralapsak, tersé gadipak íe öiü, höpsönöi?
perhaps.overstepping.boundaries-ADV a.little-AdADV, but DEF.NEG wife-NOM.NEG AUX.PRES DEF.NEG mother-DAT.NEG, albeit young-DAT.NEG more-AdADJ just-ADV, look.like-INTERR
It feels a little wrong, but doesn't his wife look like his mother, just younger?

7. Shtanö chük dagüiksüd höi sík knöifepelsích égölalöküd bdau sü síreks lé sí knöifepelsít ngadélít sí sfílsín oivaf sho, seth lév che bdílavithset chí öçalsís chí knöifepelsís ba tel kalokh.
when DEF.PL warrior-POST.PL PTCL INDEF.PL spider-ACC.PL hunt.PRES.PTPL-POST.PL from.among INDEF one-NOM AUX.PAST INDEF spider-ACC huge-ACC INDEF arrow-INSTR shoot PTCL, 3SG-NOM AUX.PAST.IMPERS DEF splitting-ACC DEF head-GEN DEF spider-GEN PTCL see be.able
When one of the spider-hunting warriors shot a huge spider with an arrow, you could see said spider's head split.

8. Öçek lé chí dhaurstenarhölsít, chílít sí lé öçkek cha hereçkethlünsav géznélíbul sho, vacher'ha höklan?
2SG-NOM AUX.PAST DEF vegetable.wagon-ACC, REL-ACC 1SG-NOM AUX.PAST 2SG-DAT DEF last.week-LOC lend PTCL, whither put-INTERR
Where did you put the vegetable wagon I lent you last week?
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Post by Dormouse559 » 14 Sep 2019 21:13

Lao Kou wrote:
13 Sep 2019 22:22
Nonetheless, subsequent translators stuck with "stick".
What a sticky situation.
Lao Kou wrote:(Actually, I was hoping to find "'flagpole' 的 'pole' (as opposed to a capitalized native of Warsaw) which would have been the best, but it wasn't there.")
And here I was thinking "flagpole" was what you call a Varsovian standardbearer. [:P]



6. Î sìmbla in peu ma, mé l' e ppas vro que se fìnna resìmbla a ssê mâri, mé plu ddjwîn-a ?
[ʔiˈsɛ̃m.blə ʔɛ̃ˈpø ˈma | ˈme lɛˈpɑs ˈvʁo ke.səˈfɛ̃n.nə ʁəˈsɛ̃m.blə ʔɑs.sɛˈmɑː.ʁi | ˈme plyˈʒwɛ̃ː.ə]
3S.NOM seem-3S INDEF.M little wrong.M.C | but 3S be.3S NEG true.M.C SBRD 3S.POS-F.N wife look_like-3S to 3S.POS-ACC.F.N mother-ACC | but more young-F.N

It feels a little wrong, but doesn't his wife look like his mother, just younger?

7. Can qu' u di gguerrû hacheû d' rânye l' ê tira desus in rânyi bin gros avec in fléhi, on possoû vezou se fàndre la tètta d' la rânye.
[kɑ̃ˈky dig.gɛˈʁyː həˈʃœː ˈdʁɑː.ɲˑə lɛː.tiˈʁa dəˈsys ʔŋ̩ˈʁɑː.ɲˑi bɛ̃ˈgʁɔs ʔəˈvɛk ʔɛ̃ˈfle.çi | ʔɔ̃m.pɔˈsuː vəˈzu səˈfɑ̃n.dʁə ləˈtɛt.tə dləˈʁɑː.ɲˑə]
when SBRD one of-DEF.M.PL PL-warrior-ACC hunter-ACC.M of spider 3S have.PRS_SBJV.3S shoot-PST_PTCP on INDEF.OBL.F.C spider-OBL very big.OBL.F.C with INDEF.OBL.F.C arrow-OBL | PRO be_able-IPF.3S see-INF 3S.REFL split-INF DEF-F.C head of DEF-F.C spider

When one of the spider-hunting warriors shot a huge spider with an arrow, you could see said spider's head split.

8. Ou que t' a bouta lo vagon de jardin-âjou que jo te prettê la sammân-a darrîra ?
[ʔu.ke.ta.buˈta lo.vəˈgɔ̃ŋ de.ʒɑʁ.dŋ̩ˈɑː.ʒu ke.ʒo.te.pʁɛˈtɛː la.sɑ̃ˈmɑ̃ː.ə dɑˈʁiː.ʁə]
where REL-ACC 2S have.2S put-PST_PTCP DEF-M.C wagon of vegetables REL-ACC 1S.NOM 2S lend-PST DEF-F.C week last-F.C

Where did you put the vegetable wagon I lent you last week?

9. Cristîn-a fès sou ppantalou a llyî par s' que tou-t lou ppantalou â magazi i ssont ou ttro cour ou ttro-t làrjou.
[kʁiˈstɛ̃ː.ə ˈfɛs sup.pɑ̃n.təˈlu ʔɑˈʎˑiː pɑʁ.ske.tu.tlup.pɑ̃n.təˈlu ʔɑː.ma.gəˈzi ʔis.sɔ̃n.tut.tʁəˈkuʁ ʔut.tʁəˈtlɑʁ.ʒu]
Christine make.3S 3S.POS-M.C.PL PL-pants to 3S.F.DISJ for PRO SBRD all DEF-M.C.PL PL-pants at.DEF.M store 3P.NOM be.3P or too short.M.C or too wide-M.C

Christine makes her own pants because all the pants at the store are either too short or too wide.

New/rethought words:
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bin gros adj phr - very big, giant, gigantic, enormous
darrîrou adj - last, final
guerru/guerrûrye nmn/nfn - warrior
haché v - to hunt
hachêrou/hâchrèssa nmn/nfn - hunter
jardin-âjou nmc - (in general) vegetables
jwîn-ou adj - young
loyé (leuy-) v - to rent (not used in this post)
ou cnj - (before final list element) or; (before all list elements) either … or
pretta v - to lend
rânye nfc - spider
vagon nmc - wagon (< Fr. wagon)

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9. Krístíns la chöik vgörutsöich dvüzçetöich, vaçte chöik vgörutsöip fanfetöip cha hensav la hetaum ítríötöip rhöseu hetaum gvenütöip rhöseu híau nöi sho, hedravnath.
Christine-NOM AUX.PRES DEF.PL pants-ACC.PL own-ACC.PL, because DEF.PL pants-NOM.PL all-NOM.PL DEF store-LOC AUX.PRES either short-NOM.PL too-AdADJ or wide-NOM.PL too-AdADJ all-ADV be PTCL, make-CONCL
Christina makes her own pants because all the pants at the store are either too short or too wide.

10. Chül öçalírhkavanalöksüm mnévöthalör, de Andems lé höi ví alsív ve nadíthaugset va maralapsas shal kfö lé sfalöka'u évagaktezh.
DEF.DUAL headphone-ACC.DUAL wear.PRES.PTPL-NOM, and Anders-NOM.NEG AUX.PAST PTCL DEF.NEG room-LOC.NEG DEF.NEG entrance-ACC.NEG DEF.NEG mother-GEN.NEG hear and AUX.PAST happy-ADV be.surprised
With his headphones on, Andy didn't hear his mother come into the room and was not happily surprised.
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7. Der broyaʻi mia o'soliyn cénvitan yailegri cuvan, yòilprudet cuvenlota fecun kaîya, vut yityablidet pi a'bobas o'cuven yistadenit.
[dəd̟ ˈbɾoːʃɐʔi ˈmiː.ɐ ɔ̈ˈsoːla̯iːn ˈkenvɨtɐn ʃaɪ̯ˈlegɾi ˈkuːʋɐn, ʃɔʊ̯lˈpruːdət‿ˈuːʋənˌloːtɐ ˈɸeːkʉn ˈkaɪ̯ɕɐ, vʉt ɕɨt͡ʃɐˈbliːdət‿i ɐˈboːbɐʃ ɔ̈ˈkuːʋən ɕɨstɐˈdeːnɨt]
when man-ENUM one DEF.GEN=warrior-PL REL.ANIM.PL PST-hunt-3PL spider-PL, PST-shoot-3SG spider-big with arrow, 3SG.INDEF PST-ABL-watch-3PL that DEF.ANIM=head DEF.GEN=spider PST-split-INV.3SG.ANIM
When one of the spider-hunting warriors shot a huge spider with an arrow, you could see said spider's head split.

8. Avitnúm yivicei u'lico can gesed, vit sat yityilovai pèmbat?
[ɐʋɨtˈnuːm ɕɨˈʋiːkɛɪ̯ ʉˈliːkɔ̈ kɐn ˈgeːsəd, vɨt sɐt ɕɨt͡ʃɨˈloːʋaɪ̯ ˈpɛmbɐt]
where PST-put_away-2SG DEF.INAN=wagon for vegetable, REL 2SG.OBL PST-lend-1SG last_week
Where did you put the vegetable wagon I lent you last week?

9. Kristin pavirespet naityan, liyd naityeló pun pargenúm utsivàsbul ùn utʻaietbul.
[ˈkristɨn ˌpaːʋɨˈɾespət ˈnaɪ̯t͡ʃɐn, la̯iːd ˈnaɪ̯t͡ʃəˈloː pʉn ˌpaɾgəˈnuːm ʉtsɨˈvɐsbʉl ʉn ʉtˈʔaɪ̯ə̆bʉl]
PROP REFL-sew-3SG pant-PL because pant-COL in boutique EXPL-short-3PL XOR EXPL-wide-3PL
Christine makes her own pants because all the pants at the store are either too short or too wide.

10. Fum parget to nusonem, Andem ciyirîyet to méva ars ta yipucuret, èpa ciyifaimarbatsbit.
[ɸum ˈpaɾgət tɔ̈ ˈnuːsɔ̈nəm, ˈandəm kɨɕɨˈɾiːʃət tɔ̈ ˈmeːʋɐ ɐɾʃ ta ɕɨpʉˈkuːɾət, ˈɛpɐ kɨɕɨɸaɪ̯ˈmaɾbɐt͡sbɨt]
while wear-3SG 3SG.MASC.POSS headphone-DU, PROP NEG-PST-hear-3SG 3SG.MASC.POSS mother as 3SG.FEM.REC PST-come_in-3SG, and NEG-PST-good-surprise-ADZ-COP.3SG.ANIM
With his headphones on, Andy didn't hear his mother come into the room and was not happily surprised.

11. Viyd tyèlen værreyai tatquetan, siy parcas yireyai lèniman yicun espan ùpa vin, pured ciyifaibocʻi.
[va̯iːd ˈt͡ʃɛlən vəˈɾeːʃaɪ̯ ˈtăˌtetɐn, sa̯iːˈpaɾkɐʃ ɕɨˈreːʃaɪ̯ ˈlɛnɨmɐn ˈɕiːkʉn ˈespɐn ˈʉpɐ viːn, ˈpuːɾəd kɨɕɨˌɸaɪ̯ˈbokʔɨ]
because again_and_again attempt-make-1SG thing-new-PL, {before sun}yesterday PST-make-1SG cookie-PL without egg-PL or milk, however NEG-PST-good-become-3PL
Because I always attempt new things, yesterday I made cookies without eggs and milk - they didn't turn out well, though.

New word:
pèmbat adv. coll. - last week
Etymology: malapropism from the phrase u pèmabato (at the time of last week), which I found sounded to clunky for colloquial speech.
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Post by Void » 17 Sep 2019 20:41

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1. Mqoŋôhi Yâqaw mdâdawpyamsûkilis cirqʼanumî, qa mzûŋi Aykatrin.
[mqoˈŋoːhɪ ˈjaːqaw mdaːˌdawpjamˈsuːkɪˌlis tsɪrˌqʼanʊˈmiː qa ˈmzuːŋɪ ajˈkatrɪn̥]
feel-AOR-3SG Jacob tap-ACC shoulder-LOC-3SG.POSS and be.PROX-AOR-3SG Katherine
Jim felt a tap on his shoulder, and it was Kate.

2. Iyûssudî mukʼacrûsxândi Aycân, mhatahdawyôr griyalî kilcî mrojolûŋilpʼôgur.
[ɪˌjuːsːuˈdiː muˌkʼatsruːsˈxaːndɪ ˈajcaːn̥ ˌm̥hataɦˈdawjoːr ɣrɪjaˈliː ˈkiltsiː ˌmrodzoˌluːŋɪlˈpʼoːɣʊr̥]
let-VN-TERM-3SG.POSS apologise-AOR-3SG Ethan, freeze-AOR-3SG-REL tongue-3SG.POSS little.brother-3SG.POSS metal.stick-LAT
Ethan apologized for letting his little brother freeze his tongue to the metal stick.

3. Druhum cʼarmžulcyâz čagutpan mjaytxa, ôqûŋûriš čaŋroy ulûkar.
[ˈdruhʊm̥ tsʼarˈmʒultsjaːs tʃaˈɣutpan ˈmdzajtxa ˌoːquːˈŋuːrɪʃ ˈtʃaŋroj ʊˈluːkar̥]
while across-fall-PLUPRF-3SG-REL mountain-ABL big rock, kil-AOR-3SG>3PL three-3PL.POSS man-PL
The big rock fell down the mountain, killing three people.

4. Hforhawsazriš rogilaris ârcʼyalaris saydluxûŋyômadur?
[ˌhɸor̥hawˈsazrɪʃ ˌroɣɪˈlarɪs ˌaːrtsʼjaˈlarɪs sajdˌluxuːŋˈjoːmadʊr̥]
on-put-FUT-1SG>3PL.IN which-ACC.PL glove-ACC.PL theatre-LAT
Which gloves shall I wear to the theatre?

5. Gawgulcazqʼay qʼuždašxatopsirrânqay iwr qguristamxaldat xolgaystarilqʼuhwor sîwalarissay.
[ˌɣawɣʊlˈtsasqʼaj qʼuʒˌdaʃxaˌtopsɪˈrːaːnqaj iwr̥ qxʊˌristamˈxaldat ˌxolɣajsˌtarɪlˈqʼuhwor̥ siːˌwalaˈrisːaj]
help-FUT.SJV-1SG>2SG homework-INST-2SG.POSS if cease-only-COND-2SG steal-HAB-PRS-2SG>3SG-REL book-PL.ACC-1SG.POSS
I'll help you with your homework, as long as you stop stealing my books.

6. Qŋôhamsûkob arascʼor, isaw ši xom mtî zîgur jalmawahî, mjir juhurmxalad?
[qŋ̥oːˈhamsuːk aˈrastsʼor̥ ˈisawˈ ʃiˌxom mtiː ˈziːɣʊr dzalˌmawaˈhiː m̩dzir dzʊˈhur̥m̩xaˌlat]
feel-little-PRS-3SG-PAS wrong but look-PRS-3SG wife-3SG.POSS completely mother-ESS-3SG.POSS more be.young-only-PRS-3SG
It feels a little wrong, but doesn't his wife look like his mother, just younger?

7. Roxxâ mqarsowyâz qarssân xocoy kʼortʼosuysiŋurul qʼaganaksar hšakay kʼortʼosuyur, midluxmôgyob rogu msixizyû qafalisî kʼortʼosuy.
[ˈroxːaː mqarˈsowjaːs ˈqarsːaːn̥ xoˈtsoj ˌkʼortʼoˌsujsɪˈŋurʊɬ ˌqʼaɣaˈnaksar̥ ˈhʃakaj ˌkʼortʼoˈsujʊr̥ ˌidlʊxˈmoːxtsob ˈroɣʊ msɪˈxizjuː qaˌɸalɪˈsiː ˈkʼortʼosʊj]
when.PST shoot-PLURPF-3SG arrow-INST one-3PL.POSS spider.hunt-PTCPL warrior-PL huge spider-LAT, see-able-AOR-3SG-IMPRS how split-IMPF-3SG>3SG head-ACC-3SG.POSS spider
When one of the spider-hunting warriors shot a huge spider with an arrow, you could see said spider's head split.

8. Rogum mkʼucijxaliqʼôh daxwirmkaynilakšuccʼyalis, mŋiyâzazûwor qʼûr mičî xocqatrôgcʼyalog?
[ˈroɣʊm ˌm̩kʼutsɪtsˌxalɪˈqʼoːh ˌdaxwɪrm̩ˌkajnɪlakˈʃutsʼːjaˌlɪs m̩ŋɪˌjaːzaˈzuːwor̥ qʼuːr mɪˈtʃiː ˌxotsqatˈroːxtsʼjaˌlox]
where place-AOR-2SG>3SG green.food.wagon-ACC, lend-PLUPRF-1SG>3SG-REL 2SG.LAT former week-TEMP
Where did you put the vegetable wagon I lent you last week?

9. Ošris Xristyana guldûkparûlarisî urwî, fša alfayr mokʼlawor âjaw alfayr faršiŋŋor qʼij guldûkparûlar qidisadum.
[ˈoʃrɪs ˈxristjana ˌɣulduːkˌparuːˌlarɪˈsiː ˈurwiː ɸʃa ˈalɸajr ˈmokʼlawor ˈaːdzaw ˈalɸajr̥ ɸarˈʃiŋːor̥ qʼidz ɣʊlˌduːkpaˈruːlar̥ ˌqidɪˈsadʊm̥]
make-PRS-3SG>3PL Christine pants-PL-ACC-3SG.POSS own-3SG.POSS, because too be.short-PRS-3SG-REL or too be.wide-PRS-3SG-REL all pants-PL store-LOC
Christine makes her own pants because all the pants at the store are either too short or too wide.

10. Druhum mforhinliššor txâkʼmcʼyalarrânî duž mxirimi Andrîs rogu mšišyâz jalmî qcaŋurî, qa duž mhahraškawi hqʼâmsud.
[ˈdruhʊm̥ ˌmɸor̥hɪnˈliʃːor̥ txaːkʼm̩ˌtsʼjalaˈrːaːniː duʃ mxɪˈrimɪ ˈandriːs ˈroɣʊ ˈmʃiʃjaːz ˈjalmiː qtsaŋʊˈriː qa duʃ mhahˈr̥aʃkaˌwi ˈhqʼaːmsʊt]
while wear-IMPF-3SG>3PL-REL headphone-PL-INST-3SG.POSS NEG hear-AOR-3SG Andrew how in-go-PLUPRF-3SG mother-3SG.POSS room-LAT-3SG.POSS, and NEG be.surprised-INCH-AOR-3SG benefit-TERM
With his headphones on, Andy didn't hear his mother come into the room and was not happily surprised.

11. Fšâ pʼxajqʼijurazûwor oxol cʼôkaris, mošyazriš gom rtʼawqiqaris wayžži qa ubaltostʼôši - isaw duž mŋošîr hqʼâm.
[ɸʃaː ˌpʼxatsqʼɪˌdzuraˈzuːwor ˈoxoɬ ˈtsʼoːkarɪs moʃˈjazrɪʃ ɣom̥ ˌrtʼawqɪˈqarɪs ˈwajʒːɪ qa ʊˌbaltosˈtʼoːʃɪ ɪˈsaw duʒ mŋoˈʃiːr̥ hqʼaːm̥]
because attempt-always-PRS-1SG>3SG-REL new thing-PL-ACC, make-AOR-1SG>3PL yesterday cookie-PL-ACC egg-PL-ABES and milk-ABES - but NEG out-go-AOR-3PL good
Because I always attempt new things, yesterday I made cookies without eggs and milk - they didn't turn out well, though.

Took me two days and a whole bunch of new words and grammatical constructions to create. I'm pretty sure I kinda screwed up on some affix ordering since I've practically reinvented my verbal system by no. 8, and had to redo the previous ones. Whew, am glad that's over.

12. Arcʼiwowûssudqʼay piwmazû jigpʼasaxcazûwor krawšis qʼûr, yaw zôhaks, xocir čʼahawisû tuškurû tûrqʼay.
[ˌartsʼɪˌwowuːˈsːutqʼaj pɪwmaˈzuː ˌdzixpʼaˌsaxtsaˈzuːwor̥ ˈkrawʃɪs qʼuːr̥ jaw ˈzoːhaks ˈxotsɪr̥ tʃʼaˌhawɪˈsuː tʊʃkʊˈruː ˈtuːrqʼaj]
taste-VN-TERM-2SG.POSS wish-PRS-1SG>3SG on-vomit-FUT.SUBJ-1SG>3SG-REL blood-ACC 2SG-LAT, VOC priest, only shadow-ACC-3SG.POSS sadness-3SG.POSS land-2SG.POSS
I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.
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Post by Dormouse559 » 18 Sep 2019 23:09

10. Avec si-z accoûteû, André ovi pas intra sê mâri dyun lê pìchi ê-y î fu pas aggreâblaman seurpri.
[ʔəˈvɛk si.zɑk.kuˈtœː | ɑ̃ˈdʁe əˈvi ˈpɑs ɛ̃ˈtʁa sɛˈmɑː.ʁi ˈdjœ̃ŋ lɛˈpi.ʃi ʔɛː.jiː.fyˈpɑs ɑg.gʁe.ɑː.bləˈmɑ̃ŋ sœˈpʁi]
with 3S.POS-OBL.M.C headphone-OBL | Andy hear-PST.3S NEG enter-INF 3S.POS-ACC.F.N mother-ACC in DEF-OBL.F.C room-OBL and 3S.NOM be.PST.3S NEG happily surprise-PST_PTCP

With his headphones on, Andy didn't hear his mother come into the room and was not happily surprised.

11. Par s' que j' eppreuf touddjeur de novella hhôza, yî j' ê fé de bescu sun nî-y eus ni llê — mé î-z ettoûyou pas bin russi.
[pɑʁ.ske.ʒɛˈpʁœf tuˈʒœʁ de.no.vɛl.lɑˈhɔː.zə | ˈjiː ʒɛˈfe de.bəˈsky ˈsœ̃ŋ niˈjœs niˈlɛː | ˈme ʔiː.zɛˈtuː.ju ˈpɑs bẽ.ʁyˈsi]
for PRO SBRD 1S.NOM attempt.1S always PART new-PL thing | yesterday 1S.NOM have.1S do-PST_PTCP PART cookie without neither egg-PL nor milk-OBL | but 3.NOM-PL be-IPF-3P NEG very successful

Because I always attempt new things, yesterday I made cookies without eggs and milk - they didn't turn out well, though.

12. Jo veû vomi de san desus veû, prèttrou, par que vou ggouttassé mìmmou l' òmbra d' la tristîje de vottron pêyì.
[ʒo.vœː.vəˈmi dəˈsɑ̃ŋ dəˈsys ˈvœː | ˈpʁɛt.tʁu | pɑʁ.ke.vug.gut.tɑˈse ˈmɛ̃m.mu ˈlɔ̃m.bʁə dla.tʁiˈstiː.ʒə de.vɔt.tʁɔ̃m.pɛˈji]
1S.NOM want.1S vomit-INF PART blood on 2.FORM.DISJ | priest | for SBRD 2.FORM taste-IPF_SBJV-2.FORM even DEF shadow of DEF-F.C sadness of 2.FORM.POS.M.C land

I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.

13. Que chett liyou l' a de dan becû !
[ke.ʃɛt.tliˈju la.dəˈdɑ̃ŋ bəˈkyː]
EXCL DEM lion 3S have.3S PART tooth sharp.F.C

What sharp teeth that lion has!

New/rethought words
Spoiler:
accoûtà v - listen
accoûteù nmc - (usually plural) headphones
aggreâblou adv - pleasant (< Fr. agréable)
béca nfc - point (< bec "beak"; not used in this post)
becu adj - sharp, pointy (< béca + -u [adjective suffix])
bescu nmc - cookie
liyou nmc - lion
pìche nfc - room
russi v - to succeed (< It. riuscire)
touddjeur adv - always glossalways
adv - yesterday (slightly irregular sound changes; /ji/ normally becomes /i/)
EDIT: Added some blood to 12

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Post by Iyionaku » 19 Sep 2019 08:11

12. Pas sat ivayornai olcus, a'iagul, cara dimiatyánabvei æ'garos o'mer sao on'acadie.
[pɐs sɐt ˌiʋɐˈʃoɾnaɪ̯ ˈolkʉs, ɐˈɪ̯aːgʉl, ˈkaɾɐ dɨˌmɪ̯atˈʃanɐbvɛɪ̯ əˈxaːɾɔ̈ʃ ɔ̈ˈmed̟ saʊ̯ ɔ̈nɐˈkaːdɪ̯ə]
onto 2SG.OBL VOL-vomit-1SG blood, DEF.ANIM=priest, so_that COND-only-taste-COND.2SG DEF.CONC=shadow DEF.GEN=sadness 2SG.POSS DEF.GEN=country
I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.

13. Blidas, vat elas bet restanʻacan!
[ˈbliːdɐʃ vɐt ˈeːlɐʃ bət ˈɾestɐnˌʔaːkɐn]
look-JUS.2SG, DEM lion have-3SG tooth.PL-sharp.PL
What sharp teeth that lion has!

14. Írdæcai van yánin cénvitan paside bicʻi >yam<, barcai cîyvalbei tervilpapos?
[ˈiɾdəkaɪ̯ vɐn ˈʃaːnɨn ˈkenvɨtɐn pɐˈsiːdə ˈbikʔi ʃam, ˈbaɾkaɪ̯ ˈkiʃʋɐlbɛɪ̯ ˈteɾvɨlˌpaːpɔ̯ʃ↗︎]
despise-1SG DEM.PL couple-PL REL.ANIM.3PL always say-3PL 1DUIN, ask-1SG not_anymore-COP.2SG person-individual
I hate these couples who always talk as "we", are you not a person on your own anymore?

Note that the Yélian pronoun yam (1st person dual inclusive) is almost exclusively used by couples, so it might not exactly translate well into other languages.

New words:
Spoiler:
írdæca v. - to hate, disguise, dispise
Etymology: from írdæc "disgust"
There was a word for the snowball term "to hate" already (arasa), but I felt it's too harsh for the intended purpose - it's an inconvenience, not a deeply-ingrained hatred which would have justified "arasa".
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Post by Khemehekis » 21 Sep 2019 06:31

8. Ar irkomen hakoup na virtlas azid is vezinen ad ar kam meitel spas ad iri?
2s put-PL wagon of vegetable-PL REL-ACC 1s lend-PST to 2s at previous week to where
Where did you put the vegetable wagon I lent you last week?

9. Christine hamias mai horoboses na wan daz hales horoboses er khab as hir lem kab yer lem stalaz.
Christine make-PRS own pants of 3s because all pants LOC store PRS either too short or too wide
Christine makes her own pants because all the pants at the store are either too short or too wide.

10. Fubul izhudia na wan, Andy os theshen helemas ad wan nasuen pai kumes mui os iyef we zimisizen.
under headphones of 3s Andy NEG hear-PST mother to 3s come-PST into room and NEG happy ADV surprise-PSV-PST
With his headphones on, Andy didn't hear his mother come into the room and was not happily surprised.

11. Daz pure is novoss gilas prin, leken is tepisen butekhes oel kehas muyos swesi; mem os va*anen e venit men.
because always 1s attempt-PRS thing-PL new yesterday 1s make-PST cookie-PL without egg-PL nor milk 3p NEG turn_out_to BE good though
Because I always attempt new things, yesterday I made cookies without eggs and milk - they didn't turn out well, though.

12. Is fuiras usleletz rivas ash ar, zha olan, do ar ien tetam oul khudan na gweimoos na poilang na ar.
1s want-PRS vomit blood onto 2s VOC priest so_that 2s would taste only shadow of sadness of country of 2s
I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.

13. Sha zanzas zaded azid ham phembas anas!
what tooth-PL sharp REL-ACC that lion have-PRS
What sharp teeth that lion has!

14. Is ayarmas hames membades az pure hesias shil "wir" -- ar as meya zhikuo nodoi, isnaloshas.
1s hate-PRS this-PL couple-PL REL always talk-PRS as 3p 2s PRS person in_one's_own_right still 1s-assume-PRS
I hate these couples who always talk as "we", are you not a person on your own anymore?

15. Taylor oyezen az wan dash ukhwanausen, ukhwanausen, ukhwanausen, ukhwanausen, ukhwanausen, ukhwanausen.
Taylor say-PST that 3s just shake_it_off-FUT-PST shake_it_off-FUT-PST shake_it_off-FUT-PST shake_it_off-FUT-PST shake_it_off-FUT-PST shake_it_off-FUT-PST
Taylor said she was just going to shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake it off.
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I also edited "metal stick" to "metal bar" way back in the beginning of these exercises, and while "bar" is listed as a place one sashays up to for an alcoholic beverage, I nabbed it from the straight alphabetical listing (which I use because I find personally find it much faster) in a sense of "'crowbar' 的 'bar'". Nonetheless, subsequent translators stuck with "stick". (Actually, I was hoping to find "'flagpole' 的 'pole' (as opposed to a capitalized native of Warsaw) which would have been the best, but it wasn't there.")
There has been some semantic "cheating" before -- one of the sentences in the first Snowball Game thread used "suck" in its vernacular sense of "be lame", even though the verb "to suck" appears on the word list only as an oral bodily dunction.
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Re: The Snowball Game returns

Post by Khemehekis » 21 Sep 2019 06:41

BTW, especially for Salmoneus, here are the sentences from the old game:

https://pastebin.com/J4vuKYkD
Spoiler:
Trying to help his friend made Peter happy.
In the basket John was carrying to his mother's house was/were a small ham, a chicken, some green apples, a bag of nuts, two bottles of milk, seven yellow roses, and some clean clothes.
Jim had a bird sitting on his shoulder.
Sharon, the beautiful blond actress, often wears dark sunglasses and a big hat so that people don't know her when she drinks in the park.
Becky, the girl Rachel thought needed to apologize, has not spoken to Sarah on the phone in three days.
The tomatoes which, without Claire knowing, had fallen off the truck she was driving were becoming soft, rotten, and full of worms in the sun.
The more hours you help blind people go across that street [over there], the more you will be paid.
If Peter hadn't seen you squash that big, ugly spider with your shoe at dinner, he wouldn't have thrown up into his soup.
The elephant was cold, so Alice made it a warm coat.
The prime minister told the king that it would be expensive to continue planting bushes and flowers along the country's streets every spring.
The scientist was writing his book about jumping spiders when his friend, the artist, walked in.
He who smelt it dealt it.
Tom, the teen boy with messy brown hair, blue eyes and freckles, cut his knee riding his skateboard.
No sooner did Ruth start rubbing (two) sticks together as I had taught her than she made a fire by which we could cook the (two) fish wrapped in (two) banana leaves.
My worst day fishing is better than my best day writing about spitting spiders.
After the goat kicked the farmer in the abdomen, Rob didn't know whether he should laugh or call a doctor.
The bird's feathers were smooth and beautiful in the morning light, as if they had been rubbed with silver and gold dust.
I thought Mother would swallow her tongue the night you told her you were going to marry the old fisherman.
No, no, no, the one I want is the *blue* one!
The little white rabbit with the hazel eyes may look small and pretty as it sits among the beans at dusk, but its teeth are very sharp, and even big snakes are afraid of it.
So what you're saying is, we should all go to Dave's house?
If Kevin loses this game, he'll have to sell his boat and his house on the beach.
Dave told me your people's writing system was a beautiful thing to see, but now I look at it, I just see ugly broken pictures.
If her father hadn't smoked, drunk coffee, and eaten beef every day, he wouldn't have died so young.
But have you seen a man eat his own head? No? Then you haven't seen 'everything', have you?
"Hey, Greg", she said, tapping him on the shoulder.
I wonder how/why water boils and freezes at the same time in space.
The largest uncut diamond ever to be bought is expected to sell for nearly $20 million.
In the middle of the ocean floats a purple island where the oranges taste sweet, handsome artists paint, and the people sing and smile all day.
The teacher made Alan give Dave's book back (to Dave).
I don't know where I put my money, and I have to find it before the waiter comes back.
I don't know where I put my money, and I have to find it before the waiter comes back.
Alex washed the clothes wet with sweat and then put them in the sun to dry.
Let's all go and watch a film.
May the flies of a hundred camels fly up your nose.
"Mother is to daughter as father is to son", said the teacher.
My father told me to go into the forest with a spear and not to come back until I had learned how to hunt bear.
The knife cut the bread, then fell off the table and made Paul jump.
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Please take this wine and these three chickens as a gift.
And so I ask myself, why did I not think that brown apple was too old to eat?
Justin and Brandon were arguing over which restaurant made the best chocolate cake with nut sauce.
Even if that dog really had been in your room, it couldn't have carried away all your books.
If, after cutting hot red peppers, you put your finger in your eye, don't rub it, but wash it in cool, fresh water.
Today feels like a good day for coffee.
They say/It is said that if a couple throws some coins into the river from this bridge, they will have a baby within the year.
This magazine doesn't have to look good, it just has to not be yellow.
Children, do not attempt this at home without an adult.
Thomas and Jeffrey were hunting deer, but then, he shot his mother!
About a month ago on Doctor Who, the Doctor travelled back in time to tell his former self not to do what he would have been going to have done.
After lunch, (my) Brother is going to teach me how to play a game on the computer.
He left the room, kicking the door as he walked through it.
Hey! It doesn't have to be winter for you to play the snowball game! -- you only need 625 words in your dictionary, and everybody who plays, wins!
You can make money more quickly at a flower shop than at a restaurant, because at a restaurant you can only have as many people as you have chairs.
Trying to find a taxi in this city is like trying to get a rabbit to give birth to a camel.
By "he", do you mean the man on the left or on the right?
Greg tried salting the meat which he caught, but then, the meat wounded him and Greg died.
Has anyone not had at least one piece of cake?
Now Paul, after you wake up, whenever you hear the phone ring, you will put pants on your head and dance like a chicken. Five, four, three, two, one!
I'm surprised I've managed to lie to Alan for as long as I have.
Mind you, Alan is so slow/dull/thick that he still doesn't believe it was his parents who put coins under his bed when he lost a tooth.
This person saw it happen.
Why did yon chicken walk across the road?
I'm a shoemaker / I make shoes (as a job).
On a dark winter night, as a pair of horses pulled his wagon through the wind and snow, the driver, a proud farmer, wiped the ice from his beard with a glove.
Where did you two want to walk to?
These bicycle shops will be closed for the next few days.
If the wedding had gotten any more expensive, my husband would have had to sleep with all the waitstaff.
Someone left the cake out in the rain -- I don't think that I can take it, 'cause it took so long to bake it, and I'll never have that baking way again...oh no!
My cat just kicked a bottle of orange juice all over my desk.
We're having fresh cat à l'orange for dinner this evening.
Before the wind blew, there were leaves on that tree.
As you push your wagon through the store while you're shopping, you may be surprised to see small TV cameras taking your picture.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your letter could not be sent to one or more people.
When students have finished taking the test, they should put down their pencils and sit quietly until the teacher tells them they may leave.
I would have liked to have been able to wish Sarah a happy birthday.
The old cellphones of the 90s were a lot heavier than the smaller lightweight ones of today.
He is the old man who we met by the river.
I can't decide whether to buy the purple motorcycle or the orange one.
You may reply to me whenever you wish.
In the book my mother read to me, the blonde said that this bed was too hard, this bed was too soft, but this bed was just right.
A few times now I've heard you say that something "broke your head" - is that a part of your people's language, or is that just a thing that you say?
Once someone finds gold in these mountains, everyone will come here with dreams of getting rich.
I have eaten pork - but no more than twice in the last two years.
Whatever you do, do not eat blue food or yellow snow.
They must be very rich to own so many houses in one town.
Never having ridden a camel before, (I'm afraid) I'm not very happy that you put my name down for this year's camel race.
I've seen several three-wheeled wagons in the past - they work much better than I thought they would.
What's black and white and can't turn around in an airplane restroom? A priest with a spear through his head.
We are trying to find out why people are asking for more coffee than this time last year.
If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; if you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
I still know every word of a song from when I was eleven. But ask me the name of someone I met an hour ago, and I've got nothing.
With the two of us sitting in the soft orange light of the summer afternoon each having drunk a bottle of cold beer, I began to wonder if Alex would feel like sleeping with me.
(= "As we sat in the soft orange light of the summer afternoon each having drunk a bottle of cold beer, ...") (but trying some literary flourish)
There's presumably a guy somewhere here who just walks around and helps people who walk in to find the right type of coffee.
Maybe we'll see her today...
I can't say I really like the idea that it was on this small mountain that King Justin built his tower.
It was never more than just a little place, but now that I look back on it, when that cafe closed the heart of the town stopped beating.
We're told that next month's student newspaper now needs writing, so that’s something to think about.
Would you please have the wedding cake, band, and flowers set up in the garden behind the hotel by four o'clock Saturday afternoon?
Busses to Hightown on a Sunday (37A/38) are now leaving from place 8 as a bus via Woodgarden Park at 40 minutes past the hour every hour from 9:40 until 16:40 with a bus to Peters Road at 17:25 from Sunday 3rd February 2013.
Since a camel is known as the ship of the desert, can we not then say that a ship is the camel of the sea?
Um, did something just fall over?
What do you think Marie-Antoinette wanted to say when she said, "If they don't have any bread, let them eat cake."?
I'm convinced they just don't have cinemas in this country.
Since Kevin's beard is too messy and rough for him to have his picture taken with the president, why doesn't he have it cut off?
Today's my birthday, so I've brought you all some cake.
Lest we should think he was lying, the bad man took off his diamond ring and wrote his name in the back window of our car with it.
If I had gone to the city centre to buy the fruit for the pie, then I may as well have just bought a pie there instead.
Now that you've hit the king in the face with your glove, war will break out and it won't stop until every soldier is killed.
And that's why I don't like shopping.
With this cheap piece of glass that she bought, my sister turned this old wagon wheel, which no one would have wanted anyway, into a pretty coffee table.
Hi, Greg! How are you?
Okay, so this priest walks into a bar with an elephant and asks for two beers...
Actually, no, I think we should have turned left at that road back there.
Then the elephant says, "That's no refrigerator, that's my wife!"
That's why we call him "Wagon Steve".
In the old days, it took about twenty minutes by car from home to the city center, but now it takes almost twice that time.
Until I properly understand the plants and animals of this place, I'll use the word "camel" for any animal large enough to carry heavy things and happy enough to not try to eat anyone who tries to put a heavy thing onto it.
Why would anyone with a computer have gone to the library to do their homework last night?
If only things had just stayed how they were.
The more I smell the salt water of the ocean and feel the boat going up and down, the more I wonder if I'm going to puke over the front.
From the light of the sun through the window, I must have fallen asleep for at least three hours.
The student was made to stand in the corner by the teacher because he threw a paper ball.
Anyway, back to what we were - wait, were you going to say something?
At first, I wasn't interested in that new book at all, but once I bought it and started reading it, I found that I liked it very much.
I am looking through these old letters, and I'm amazed at how different I was eight years ago.
I am looking through these old letters, and I'm amazed at how different I was eight years ago.
She may well be the best PM this country has ever had, but unless she puts a chicken in every basket, there will always be people who don't like her.
I don't know what time it starts, but I think we wrote it down on that paper on the fridge.
Go and take those red socks out of the washing machine, so that all my underwear doesn't turn pink.
There is such a thing as an elephant, but very few of the songs about it are correct, and it doesn't actually breathe fire.
Lying at home watching television is easier than going to the theatre and it doesn't cost anything either.
I like that this city has trains this cheap, even though I hardly ever actually travel by train.
As a teacher and mother, Christine was surprised at the number of students who said that their parents let them have a television in their bedroom.
Are you the one they call The King Of The Blind?
Do you say this on your own or have others said this to you about me?
The war seems to have been caused by just one horse's shoe having fallen off.
When the waitron comes back and asks if we'd like anything else, tell them to bring some coffee and cake.
I should probably stop trying to find every type of shell on the beach.
John said that seeing the smiling faces of children when they open their presents makes him happy as well.
Kevin and Laura are brother and sister.
I think Teacher Purple killed Soldier Yellow in the library at four o'clock in the afternoon with the rope.
If there's a better way of doing that, I haven't found it.
It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.
Does anyone [among us] know how to fly an aeroplane?
Bored, are we? Yawn any wider and we'll be able to drive a truck in.
It's possible to know how to win at football, without actually being able to do it.
Whether you're a king, a poor fisherman, or a bear, you still gotta poo.
Ooh, you don't want to go *there* after dark. That's the rough end of town.
There's a boy I know, he's the one I dream of; looks into my eyes, takes me to the clouds above...
No, my daughter isn't the one getting married - she's Alice, the smallest one.
It may look like a camel and walk like a camel, and the skies know it smells like a camel, but can we say correctly it really is a camel and not some other "pol"?
I was going to tell him next month, but he found it out by himself.
She once wrote some things for our newspaper while working as a teacher at a small school.
I think I need another coffee.
Sitting high in the mountains amid the small white flowers, Maria played the guitar and taught the (seven) children how to sing.
No, we've already decided, we're going to that place down the road that does really good chocolate cake.
I'm baking banana bread for the hospital drive -- we can bring back whatever doesn't sell and have it for breakfast tomorrow morning.
Whose chair is this?
A little over an hour into the film "Three Men and A Baby", you can see an unknown boy standing in a back window on the left.
You really should try the baked chicken, it's really good!
Mind if I smoke?
Steve was surprised that him stealing the ball hadn't helped the artist.
The artist asked Steve why on earth he thought stealing a ball would help him.
Ooh, I just thought of something. What if the house in the photograph is really made out of sand?
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, and - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
Brian was proud of being a taxi driver.
He liked to say, "I came to this country with nothing more than a small bag of potatoes, and now I am living the dream."
I'd been planning to go to Steve Brandon's talk about space travel for weeks, but staying up all the previous night made me too tired to go to it.
The story in which six blind men touch different parts of an elephant is supposed to make us come to understand how hard it is for one person to understand everything.
Wow, how did I go that long without seeing that my system was broken?
People of that time drew only things which they had seen with their own eyes.
I can't go to bed until I finish preparing this salad for tomorrow morning.
There are a lot of requests from all over the country asking the actress to write a book about her life.
If I say "I am going to the Brandon Cinema in Lowtown" and you ask "where?", you are not making my life any easier.
Mother, please don't tell me not to try and climb the mountain.
I don’t even like tomatoes, let alone cook with them.
How shall we spend the longer autumn evenings?
I don't think I said that.
There's a part of me that wants to say to myself, "You did the right thing."
I want to find out if there are any fish in this river.
You really should go to hear Tony sing live in concert while there's still time.
The father said that his daughter has been wondering who she should marry, but she will not search anytime soon.
Sitting in a ball in the corner of the room was a very angry little girl, looking at me like a bear about to kill.
I'm not playing this game because I like it, but because - if all goes well - the winnings should pay for my new house.
I only know when he began to dance with me, I could have danced, danced, danced all night.
The woman with freckles asked that you (pl.) do not sit on the wet chairs for an hour.
If you're going to appear on television, you should remember not to wear a black and white striped jacket and that the camera will make you look ten pounds heavier than you actually are.
If you're really going to hit that goat in the eye with your sharp stick, then please wait for me to have run away first.
Would you like to tell me why you've put your wet tongue in my ear?
Rob, who is an artist, saw the spider jump into the woman’s soup but said nothing, because it made him happy.
True, that woman on television may not sing the most beautifully, but she's blond and hot, and that's why people are picking her.
Wait, you're not here yet? Weren't you walking just behind me?
My rich husband, the doctor, stole a green apple and happily said "An apple a day keeps the doctor away".
How much can it possibly cost to bring a white elephant back into the country?
But people are now starting to say "it really wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be".
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you're not allowed to bring a baked chicken into the movie theatre with you.
Alice believed that the monkeys broke the basket with a banana, but it was actually her brother Chris, who lies proudly.
He left River City the library building, but he left all the books to her! ... Chaucer! Rabelais! Balzac!
No, I didn't see him leave - I think he's still here somewhere.
Can you understand how angry I was when they brought that huge birthday cake into the room and my own mother jumped out of it?
For the rest of the afternoon we will be talking about the use of colour in Mark Gregson's later paintings.
Let's see, we've written down the mouse, the cow, the rabbit, the snake, the horse, the sheep, the monkey, the chicken, the dog, and the pig ... which two animals haven't we thought of yet?
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were someone else.
My good woman, the big road that you are asking the prime minister for will badly change the food we eat, the water we drink, and indeed the very air we breathe.
The tiny green fish swam across the deep pool as it was watched by an enormous mouse and a dark-haired boy with a cell phone.
She sang a high note at the restaurant opening, all the glass shattered, and now they have to buy a new window.
Aah! My hat is floating away down the river! Come back!
It is bad to stop this letter, but if you send this letter to ten friends with a coin in it, you will soon receive money from other people and get rich in a few months.
I really thought that he would try to be here before the film started...
Something in the refrigerator doesn't smell quite right -- how long has that beef been in there?
He's not my friend, he's just someone I met once at the library.
Despite being told not to, Rachel's neighbor squeezed her breast anyway, as you might a fresh tomato, so she threw him out the window.
He who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
On that cool autumn morning, the fisherman saw that the gray cat he had always given fish to on the beach was instead sitting and waiting for him on his boat.
The used book salesman gave me a long look when I bought a book because of its size instead of its words. Oh well.
Not going to the party is not the same as not wanting to go to the party.
If that's 100 quid, I'll eat my hat! How much do you really want for this?
After I had finished eating my banana leaf hat, I puked.
I shouldn't have said that. I should *not* have said that.
Since he had forgotten to buy glass cleaner at the market, Justin had to wash the windows with wet newspaper.
You should give the beef pie a try - it's like apple pie but with beef.
The farmers have planted enough corn and rice to feed the entire country.
I tried that, and it didn't work. Any idea what is going wrong?
The farmers have planted enough corn and rice to feed the entire country.
I tried that, and it didn't work. Any idea what is going wrong?
If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
Swimming to stay alive, a man does not see much of the country through which the river flows.
Little Brian Peep has lost his sheep, and doesn't know where to find them.
Don't get too excited, nothing is going to happen.
That's got to be the dirtiest restroom I've ever seen!
Do Flat Televisions Cause Blindness? We spoke to Greg Justinsson, president of the Doctors Against Bad Eyesight group, to find out.
Why on earth didn't somebody stop her? She's wearing her expensive new skirt and just sat down in that beach chair (that's) still wet with pink paint.
Was that a bird that you just let out of the window?
How old school can you get? He wrote her a love letter with pen and paper and had it sent to her with a red rose.
"With ice and sand, the snake made honey in the king's temple after biting the priest."
The dog danced on the table as the men threw money into its hat.
Remember, spears are dangerous; that's why people use them in wars. So watch where you put the sharp end!
You can use this knife to cut through this fish can, and it still remains sharp enough to cut this tomato paper-thin.
Filming starts in a few weeks, and this guy hasn't cut his hair yet.
My goodness, I didn't think I would find a piercing there.
I'm only 75, thank you very much. I've got a good decade in me yet!
True, the man in the red hat and jacket does like milk and cookies by the tree, but I hear he won't say no to a beer.
Warning: sharp corners. Do not touch.
I dreamt that something bad was going to come about, and look, your sister's here.
He thought he heard someone walk past the window.
When you're hungry, beans are a cheap way to fill yourself up (make yourself full).
I don't know how easy it would be, but I'm fairly sure it would be possible.
Jennifer seems happier than when we saw her at the party.
I have been waiting for Alan all evening.
Mother always told me to wear clean underwear, because if you should ever have an accident and are taken to (the) hospital, people will know you were raised right.
I will say this for the good people of Hightown, nothing keeps them from an evening of cheap food and drink.
They had their son apologize to their neighbor for accidentally breaking his window with a ball.
You know, Tony, you're using the word "we" a lot for someone who didn't actually do anything...
Let's race! Whoever gets to the bottom of the hill without breaking any of their eggs wins.
Like I said earlier, that guy really should've learned to let go and walk away.
Behind Alex's dark sunglasses lie the eyes of a cold-blooded killer.
It is better to have rotten meat and fresh vegetables, than fresh meat and no vegetables at all.
Don't scratch it -- that'll only make it worse.
Looking at it on the stand, you might think it's a real newsmagazine, but it's just full of things about princes, prime ministers, and actors having sex.
You haven't changed at all. You would look more like you just came back from the war if you had a beard or something.
It can be a hard film to follow, because the actors are playing actors in the film and also in a film within the film.
The requested system was not found on this computer.
He thought he saw a coach-and-four, that stood beside his bed. -- He looked again, and found it was a bear without a head.
When he looked at the blue-yellow striped egg, David argued with himself over whether the color was blue or yellow
Peter rubbed John's back with hot oil and capsicum to make him feel better.
Laura started walking faster when she heard a window shatter behind her.
By the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you will return.
Son, if you want the king to come to your birthday party, you should write him a letter every day.
At the bottom right of the map, we happened upon a small unknown island, and decided that that's where we'd go for our vacation next year.
Rob would like me to tell you that Steve told him that Dan was told by Becky that Andy's looking for you.
My dad went up ahead of me into the fog, and before long I couldn't see him anymore (for some time).
There was an old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly -- perhaps she'll die.
Me and my (older) sister wear each other's clothes so much that I never know whose shirt is whose.
Could you get the phone, please! It's been ringing all afternoon!
Next, rub the wood with sandpaper until it's completely smooth.
This car is too lightweight -- if you got into an accident, you'd be killed instantly.
Don't kill the sailor in the park, stab the teacher at the bank.
Do you ever miss hunting for shells on the beach and then taking them home in a basket to show Mother what we had found?
May you live 100 years and have lots of children.
You lost 350 dollars last night? Man, you must really suck at (playing) cards.
It's spring--when farmers planet fruits and vegetables, and the ice leaves the rivers and lakes.
The cat burped softly next to a small pile of feathers.
Why are you carrying a box full of knives?
The better to cut you up with, my dear.
If you're coughing and sweating more than usual, and you start throwing up, you should see a doctor.
My momma/mama told me: you('d) better shop around.(Mm, hm. I know that's right.)
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Re: The Snowball Game returns

Post by Lao Kou » 21 Sep 2019 22:35

11. Vaçte sí la sük rhashpeksüch íömé jebeth sho, che hereçkedalthsev sí lé sauk kfíöshalersauch, de fík íöfsíf zhö fau ngumsaun, hedravnath, arkfö ngaum lét aöt vídravnath.
because 1SG-NOM AUX.PRES INDEF.PL new-ACC.PL always attempt PTCL, DEF yesterday-LOC 1SG-NOM AUX.PAST INDEF.PL cookie-ACC.PL, but INDEF.PL.NEG egg-INSTR.PL.NEG and INDEF.NEG milk-INSTR.NEG, make-CONCL, but 3PL-NOM.NEG AUX.PAST.PASS in.the.end-ADV make.successfully
Because I always attempt new things, yesterday I made cookies without eggs and milk - they didn't turn out well, though.

12. Sí la söi zhangatsöit öçkeb deçe, hídhabs, öregü öçek lí chí zçefübanalsít chí vlíösenölsís cha frensas öçkenas öiü hauvél sho, ba sílbrénakh üraf.
1SG-NOM AUX.PRES INDEF blood-ACC 2SG-POST onto, priest-NOM, so.that-CONJ 2SG-NOM AUX.FUT DEF shadow-ACC DEF sadness-GEN DEF land-GEN 2SG.POSS.ADJ-GEN but-ADV taste-SPEC PTCL, PTCL vomit want
I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.

13. Chau sfars helker la sük nöiksüch öteküch tabezhöküch hewéböth!
DEF lion-NOM that-NOM AUX.PRES INDEF.PL tooth-ACC.PL sharp-ACC.PL what.a-ACC.PL have-CONCL
What sharp teeth that lion has!

14. Sí la chük tédéksüch helkeküch, chüküp la „trízh”-latöksüd sfen íömé vbezçöl sho, míbvézh. Feg lav fau vzoíalöms sföiaim ölöbau hönöi?
1SG-NOM AUX.PRES DEF.PL couple-ACC.PL that-ACC.PL, REL-NOM.PL AUX.PRES "1DUAL".noun.ender-POST as always talk PTCL, hate | 3SG-NOM.NEG AUX.PRES.IMPERS INDEF-NEG individual-NOM.NEG on.one's.own-NOM.NEG anymore be-INTERR
I hate these couples who always talk as "we". Are you not a person on your own anymore?

15. Télors lé, gü thpau lís öiü höihoivaz thkai höihoivaz sho, ngamath.
Taylor-NOM AUX.PRES, CONJ 3SG-NOM AUX.FUT.REFL just-ADV shake.off-DISC over.and.over-ADV shake.off-DISC PTCL, say
Taylor said she was just going to shake, shake, shake, shake, shake, shake it off.

16. Sük sheriksüp lé cha papöteraltensab zhö chau fpetönaglínghörsaub, tsa, híaufansab kür che mfailöthsev, chethet trízh löi cha feldhaudensav chau skéhalglorsaub rathé then sho, mníéí miçnakh.
INDEF.PL ant-NOM.PL AUX.PAST DEF chicken(.meat)-POST and DEF potato.salad-POST, well, everything-POST on DEF basket-LOC, REL-ACC 1DUAL-NOM AUX.PASTPERF DEF grass-LOC DEF lunch-POST for leave PTCL, all-ADV there.be
There were ants all over the chicken and the potato salad, well, everything in the basket which we had left on the grass for lunch.



*14. As with Iyionaku's translation, the actual word "hate" is rather visceral and too strong for the purpose of this sentence, so I dialed it back with "dislike" (think Japanese 嫌い/kirai "dislike, hate" vs. 憎む/nikumu "hate, detest")

*15 No self-respecting Géarthçins in their right mind would repeat the same word that many times. It's just unseemly. That's what "thkai" is for, placed before the verb. It deals with "over and over", "repeatedly", and "V and V" (eg. "They talked and talked."). For giggles, I repeated the verb once, but you'd be clipped at the knees by your fourth grade Géarthnuns teacher for writing or speaking like that within earshot of the school.

*Etc.
Dormouse559 wrote:
18 Sep 2019 23:09
12. Jo veû vomi desus veû, prèttrou, par que vou ggouttassé mìmmou l' òmbra d' la tristîje de vottron pêyì.
1S.NOM want.1S vomit-INF on 2.FORM.DISJ | priest | for SBRD 2.FORM taste-IPF_SBJV-2.FORM even DEF shadow of DEF-F.C sadness of 2.FORM.POS.M.C land
I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.
Dewd, where's the "blood"? (FWIW, I really like the use of "mimmou" for "but" here. I tried a similar strategy in Géarthnuns, but just couldn't get it to fly pragmatically. Lo *sigh*)
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Re: The Snowball Game returns

Post by Dormouse559 » 22 Sep 2019 01:22

Lao Kou wrote:
21 Sep 2019 22:35
Dormouse559 wrote:
18 Sep 2019 23:09
12. Jo veû vomi desus veû, prèttrou, par que vou ggouttassé mìmmou l' òmbra d' la tristîje de vottron pêyì.
1S.NOM want.1S vomit-INF on 2.FORM.DISJ | priest | for SBRD 2.FORM taste-IPF_SBJV-2.FORM even DEF shadow of DEF-F.C sadness of 2.FORM.POS.M.C land
I want to vomit blood on you, priest, so that you would taste but the shadow of your land's sadness.
Dewd, where's the "blood"?
Wow! Always after the guts and gore, aren't you? [:P] But if it makes you happy, I'll go ahead and add the blood in.

Lao Kou wrote:(FWIW, I really like the use of "mimmou" for "but" here. I tried a similar strategy in Géarthnuns, but just couldn't get it to fly pragmatically. Lo *sigh*)
At first I was going to go for one of Silvish's "only" strategies, but it became clear that wouldn't work since "but" is representing a lower extreme, rather than an upper one.

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