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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by DesEsseintes » 17 Nov 2013 14:12

:con: Nınuıntı

Cuu nınıt uraup naultıru mıunu ra puntaup tılıpaı.
[kuː nɪnɪt̚ ʊɾop̚ nold͡zɪɾʊ mjonʊ ɾɐ pʊndop̚ t͡sɪʎɪbe]
PST.COP girl run-3sf around tree and strike-3sf ball
The girl was running around the tree and kicking a ball.

8 words, 16 syllables. Agglutinating

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by thetha » 17 Nov 2013 18:43

EDIT: lol. I think my posts in this thread make sense now.

Navajo
At'ééd tsin bináswod dóó jooł abídzííłtáál.
girl tree 3-circle.around-PERF-run and ball away-3-against-3SUBJ.PERF-kick.PERF
the girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.

6 words, 11 syllables, 15 morphemes. Synthetic.
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Plusquamperfekt » 28 Nov 2013 11:23

:con: Miwonša

Wanca nayapsit hwi čheraš ya čhoyačit piwoi.
[girl-NOM.SG run<PAST>-3SG.PFV around tree-DAT.SG and kick<PAST>-3SG.PFV ball-ACC.SG]

7 words, 14 syllables, mixed type (fusional and agglutinative)

:de: German

Das Mädchen rannte um den Baum und trat den Ball.
[DEF-NOM.SG girl run-PAST.3SG around DEF-ACC.SG tree and kick.PAST.3SG DEF-ACC.SG ball]
10 words, 12 syllables

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Nortaneous » 02 Dec 2013 10:01

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Nizhi txalshi jema madzqesh ha hunjos machar.
[niʒi txaɫʃi dʒema madzʁeʃ ha hundʒos matʃar]
girl tree-PAR around 3FS.TOP-run-3F.ABS and ball-ACC 3FS.TOP-kick

13 syllables, 12 morphemes, 7 words

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Lao Kou » 02 Dec 2013 11:39

:deu:
Creyeditor wrote:Das Mädchen rannte um den Baum und schoss den Ball. 10 words, 12 syllables
Plusquamperfekt wrote:Das Mädchen rannte um den Baum und trat den Ball. 10 words, 12 syllables
Soooo, any diff, substantive or deliciously nuanced, between schießen and treten, or are they interchangeable?
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Plusquamperfekt » 02 Dec 2013 12:11

Ooops, I didn't see that someone had already translated German...

Well yes, there is a difference... "treten" means to "kick" and "schießen" means to "shoot", but in German "schießen" can also mean to kick a ball, for example in the sentence: "Er schoss ein Tor" = "He scored a goal." (Literally: He shot a goal)

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Bagliun Edar » 02 Jan 2014 16:15

:con:Obulamga

Zuruaido veldabo jaimuthul, yierabilbo yiemaeru.
[ˈzuɾuaidɔ ˈvɛldabɔ ˈʒaimuðul, ˈʎiɛɾaˌbilbɔ ˈʎiɛmaˌɛɾu]
zurua-i-do velda-bo jaim-u-thul, yierabil-bo yiemaer-u
child-SG.DEF.FEM-TOP run-NARR.POL tree-SG.DEF.NEUT-around, kick-NARR.POL ball-SG.DEF.NEUT-[ACC]
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.

NARR: narrative mood
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Click » 02 Jan 2014 17:56

:con: Rant

Yúttı ra mevney kıréske u vun ra tyétse.
[ˈˀʏ̯uːʰtɪ ˈrɒ ˈmɛɸn̥ɛʏ̯ k̟ʰɪˈrɛːsk̟ɛ ˈˀu ˈɸʊn ˈrɒ ˈtʰʏ̯ɛːtsɛ]
girl PST tree-LOC=around run-3SG and ball-ACC PST kick-3SG
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.

Thirteen syllables in eight words.

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Plague » 02 Jan 2014 20:07

Toipala lūsla deren vujum ja bātala kudu.
['tʰɔi̯päɫä 'ɫu:sɫä 'dɛrɛn 'vujum jä 'bä:tälä 'kʰudu]
run.3SG-PST girl.NOM tree.GEN around and ball.ACC kick.3SG-PST
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.

7 words, 15 syllables.
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Dormouse559 » 03 Jan 2014 03:02

:con: Jov Tvl

A khydny uʻam noguth hemardi, se a ubonok jama nyy.
[ˈʔa̰ ˈkʰydny ˈʔṵʔa̰m ˈnɔgutʰ ˈhɛmarˌdi ˈsɛ ʔa̰ ˈʔṵbɔˌnɔk ˈjama ˈnyː]
IND child-DEF tree DEF-around PFV-run CNJ IND ball-DEF ANTIP kick

The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.

9 words, 18 syllables, somewhat analytic

Jov Tvl doesn't normally make a gender distinction in children, so I just used khyt "child".

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Dezinaa » 03 Jan 2014 17:16

:con: Ngenggakii

Nuua nuungotwa hwei siigem, num xa petaktwa wan.
nɯːa nɯːŋɤtɰa xɰeɪ̯ siːgem nʊ̜m ǁa petaktɰa ɰan
girl run-PST around tree and 3SG.F kick-PST ball

8 words, 14 syllables.

Or a shorter, more colloquial version:

Nuua nuungotwa hwei siigem, petak wan.
girl run-PST around tree kick ball

6 words, 11 syllables.

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Click » 16 Apr 2014 18:43

:con: Ardelian
  • Te·yapato ınə́r šonto nos əmpoyı.
    te=yapa·to ınə́·rə̆·Ø‹Ø šon·to nos ən·poyı‹Ø
    CIRCL=girl·SPEC run·PHST·3SG3SG tree·SPEC and kick·ball‹SS
    The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
Five words totaling twelve syllables, polysynthetic.

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by thetha » 16 Apr 2014 19:09

:nga: Yoruba
ọmọbìnrin sáré yíkákiri igi, ó sì tàpá ìṣu.
child-woman run encircle tree 3 CONJ kick ball

:que: Quechua de Cuzco
Sipasmi sach'ata muyurispa phawarqan bolata hayt'arqan.
girl=EV.DIR tree-ACC go.around-PRES.SUB run-PST-3 ball-ACC kick-PST-3

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Plague » 16 Apr 2014 19:59

:got: Gothic

So magaþs ran bi triu jah baut þata kruppa.
[so: ˈmɑɣɑθs rɑn bi triu̯ jɑh bɔ:t ˈθɑtɑ ˈkrup:ɑ]
the girl run.SG.PST by tree.ACC and kick.SG.PST the.ACC ball.ACC
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.

Twelve syllables, nine words, fusional.
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Chagen » 16 Apr 2014 20:03

:con: Sunbyaku:

Nūyasi ne ryujo ī mewa wo nyūtsunsu lu ma sudaru
female-child=TOP tree=GEN circle=LOC run.PST-3S ball PAT kick-CONJ

10 words (only 6 if we count particles as suffixes and not clitics), 18 syllables, agglutinating
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Sḿtuval » 16 Apr 2014 23:16

:con: temporarily unnamed conlang
Seurteta ŋatjam bjunas vosima seu oemyta kjoras tisano
run-PST female-NOM.SG tree-ACC.SG around and hit-PST sphere-ACC.SG foot-INS.SG
[suɹ.ˈte.ta ˈŋa.tʃam ˈbʲu.nas ˈvo.si.ma su ø.mɨ.ˈta ço.ˈɹas ˈti.sa.no]

8 words, 19 syllables

:con: Ysjtocka
Curtìtka nam mica numni vwiv namaú ckataú ju omatytka nomoú wajeú so rè tjaìt
run-PST.3SG the.F-NOM.SG small-NOM.SG woman-NOM.SG around the.F-ACC.SG tree-ACC.SG and hit-PST.3SG the.M-ACC.SG ball-ACC.SG INS 3SG.GEN foot-DAT.SG
[dzuɹ.ˈtɪt.ka nam ˈmi.dza ˈnum.ni vʊ̯iv na.ma.ˈuts ka.ta.ˈu ju o.ma.ˈtɨt.ka no.mo.ˈu wa.je.ˈu so ɹə tʲa.ˈɪt]

14 words, 30 syllables (If it didn't have articles: 11 words, 23 syllables)

This is partly why the first one (which is newer than Ysjtocka) has no articles, less verb conjugations, and the ability to make nouns instrumental without another word.
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Chagen » 17 Apr 2014 01:52

>Someone else who uses <c> for /dz/

Holy shit, I'm not the only one with that crazy idea?
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase!
female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL
Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu.
boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S

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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Micamo » 17 Apr 2014 02:34

Image Mithara

miš c̓imq̓ułiqux̱ k̓ey̓iyekłikux
mish c'im-q'u-zi-quxh k'ey'i-yek-zi-kux
girl tree-APPL:around-CL-run;PFV ball-with_foot-CL-tap;PFV
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball

3 words, 11 syllables, 11 morphemes (if you count the perfective as a separate morpheme from the root, which I think is reasonable.)

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pito naki hari ahiwa eneropo torimo yami kaki
pito na-ko-i hari ahiwa ene-ro=po torimo yami ka-ko-i
run AUX-REC.WIT-3fs.A girl tree exterior-POSSD=LOC:open ball kick AUX-REC.WIT-3fs.A

9 words, 19 syllables, 14 morphemes
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by k1234567890y » 17 Apr 2014 11:17

:con: Lonmai Luna/Liunan
musume on cuka yor e bal on itok dala kitek ono on
girl the run around at tree the and 3.SG kick ball the

12 words, 12 morphemes, 19 syllables, analytic.

:con: Nevotak:
hat dazro reh kin ak es kaz marhu
this/that child tree around run and kick ball
8 words, 8 morphemes, 10 syllables, analytic

:con: Sakawi:

dolha ongga sadatati thupistakir nge zbaga kitemistakir
dolha ongga sada-t-ati thupi-ist-ak-ir nge zbaga kit-em-ist-ak-ir
child tree around-3.SG.POSS-ADV run-3.SG.A-IND-PST.I and ball kick-3.SG.P-3.SG.A-PST.I
7 words, 16 morphemes, 20 syllables, agglutinating
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Re: Affixes hatred

Post by Iyionaku » 20 Sep 2017 13:02

Lao Kou wrote::deu:
Creyeditor wrote:Das Mädchen rannte um den Baum und schoss den Ball. 10 words, 12 syllables
Plusquamperfekt wrote:Das Mädchen rannte um den Baum und trat den Ball. 10 words, 12 syllables
Soooo, any diff, substantive or deliciously nuanced, between schießen and treten, or are they interchangeable?
Just stumbled onto that while boredly looking for translation challenges...

Plusquamperfekt already stated a valid point. You could additionally describe the difference between "treten" and "schießen" as a difference in motivation (or maybe telic/atelic? I'm not so certain with those). "Treten" somewhat indicates a lack of motivation, i.e. just hitting the ball out of boredom, while "schießen" gives it a more forceful and deliberate meaning.
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