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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

Post by masako » 20 Sep 2014 22:28

http://footballbatsandmore.wordpress.co ... something/

I adapted (read: mutilated) Hangul for Klingon. It works fairly well considering the strict CVC nature of tlhIngan lemma. There are some ambiguities, though.

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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

Post by eldin raigmore » 21 Sep 2014 01:08

-chuq is Reciprocal rather than Reflexive, is it not?
Only -`egh is Reflexive, right? (And -`egh is never Reciprocal, right?)

Is there a diminutive like -Hom (sometimes) used to indicate affection or intimacy rather than (always) size or importance or power?
Is -oy ever used to indicate lesser size, lesser importance, or lesser power, rather than endearment?

Is either of them ever used in "humilifics" (the opposite of "honorifics" (which I find only as a verb suffix -neS -- I find no honorific noun suffix).

The "augmentative" noun-suffix -'a' -- is it ever used as an honorific?
Is it ever used the way "augmentatives" are (sometimes) used in (human, Terran) natlangs -- as the opposite of a "term of endearment"?

What about -oy-qoq ?
What about -Hom-qoq or -'a'-qoq ?

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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

Post by Lambuzhao » 21 Sep 2014 20:08

-chuq is Reciprocal rather than Reflexive, is it not?
Only -`egh is Reflexive, right? (And -`egh is never Reciprocal, right?)
-'egh is Reflexive, and therefore can take only verbal prefixes which have no object.

jIlegh’egh
1SG.SBJ=see-REFL
I see myself

ma’ang’egh
1PL.SBJ=reveal-REFL
we reveal ourselves

-chuq is Reciprocal. Most examples have only plural verbal prefixes.


Though, I wouldn't understand why a verb like the following wouldn't make some kind of sense, though ungrammatical:

qalegh'egh
1SG.SBJ|2SG.OBJ=see-REFL
I see you looking at me; we see each other(?)

re'ang'egh
1PL.SBJ|2PL.OBJ=reveal-REFL
we reveal you while you reveal us; we and you all reveal ourselves to each other (?)


Is there a diminutive like -Hom (sometimes) used to indicate affection or intimacy rather than (always) size or importance or power?
Pretty much -oy is that suffix.
Is -oy ever used to indicate lesser size, lesser importance, or lesser power, rather than endearment?
As far as I remember, no. That is not how /oy/ works.
Is either of them ever used in "humilifics" (the opposite of "honorifics" (which I find only as a verb suffix -neS -- I find no honorific noun suffix).
tlhInganHol pretty much seems to only have the -neS honorific suffix for verbs.
It raises the level of the person spoken to above oneself, presumably while avoiding too much self-abasement.

IMHO if I remember rightly, TKD might have an example for the use of AUGMENTATIVE 'a' suffix as a kind of honorific:
E.g.

HoD'a' pIqaD "the great (Capt.) Picard"

Is either of them ever used in "humilifics" (the opposite of "honorifics" (which I find only as a verb suffix -neS -- I find no honorific noun suffix).
The current races of Klingons aren't big into being humble. Perhaps such as during the Age of Kingdoms, ending with Molor the Tyrant and the Unification of Kahless, that kind of humility, courtesy, politesse, self-effacement probably existed in the language, of which only vestiges now remain.

But I am only one; what do Masako, Thakow and others say?


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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

Post by eldin raigmore » 09 Apr 2015 05:22

masako wrote:http://footballbatsandmore.wordpress.co ... something/
I adapted (read: mutilated) Hangul for Klingon. It works fairly well considering the strict CVC nature of tlhIngan lemma. There are some ambiguities, though.
Cheers.
That's really neat!

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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

Post by masako » 10 Apr 2015 02:27

eldin raigmore wrote:
masako wrote:http://footballbatsandmore.wordpress.co ... something/
I adapted (read: mutilated) Hangul for Klingon. It works fairly well considering the strict CVC nature of tlhIngan lemma. There are some ambiguities, though.
Cheers.
That's really neat!
Took you a while...but, thanks.

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Post by eldin raigmore » 10 Apr 2015 16:18

A while ago I tried to translate "Careless Whispers" into Klingon.
Well, I didn't do it myself; I used Bing Translator (Google Translate is no good for this).
Here's what I got:
jIH Hot vaj wej be
Hoch ghoplIj vItlhap
'ej SoH Dev mI' pum
QoQ Hegh je
vay' qaStaHvIS mIn
jatlhpu' jIHDaq boch yab
'ej Hoch 'IQ Qapla'


not jeywIj mI' jatlhqa'
pagh moq Suq DIv qamDu'
pagh ngeD ghet
SoH wej vISov.
vaj jISov puS jupDaj ngor
'ej laSvarghDaq jIH 'e' 'eb qar polHa'
vaj not vIjaH mI' jatlhqa'
mIw mI' jIH

laH not tI' poH
yepHa' tlhup jup
tIq 'ej yab
wej qabuQ vISov
tu'lu' pagh vor neH qaStaHvIS vIt
'oy' Hoch tu' SoH


ramvam QoQ law' vaj HoS jachpu'DI'
'e' ghom'a' laH maluj vIneH
chaq Dunmo' mIw
Hoch latlh 'oy' maH 'oH jatlh wIneH
laH vaj QaQ tay'
mI' laH yIn maH reH
'a DaH 'Iv mI' HItlhej
DubelmoHchugh 'emDaq

DaH 'e' QochQo'chuqlaw'
DaH 'e' QochQo'chuqlaw'
DaH 'e' QochQo'chuqlaw'
nuq jIjatlhpu' vaj QIH
vaj QIH 'e' naDevvo' Daghaj

So; anyone care to correct it?
(If I get Bing Translator to translate it back into English, it comes out mostly nonsense, although often you can tell what the original must have been about.)

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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

Post by Khemehekis » 08 Nov 2015 03:48

This would be a good source for updating your dictionary:

http://www.kli.org/about-klingon/new-klingon-words/
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Post by masako » 09 Nov 2015 17:34

Khemehekis wrote:
This would be a good source for updating your dictionary:

http://www.kli.org/about-klingon/new-klingon-words/
Anyone can update that dictionary. It's belongs to the FrathWiki, not me.

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Post by Khemehekis » 09 Nov 2015 23:47

masako wrote:
Anyone can update that dictionary. It's belongs to the FrathWiki, not me.
Oh, OK. I hear registration is down lately, though.
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Post by masako » 12 Nov 2015 15:17

Khemehekis wrote:
masako wrote:Anyone can update that dictionary. It's belongs to the FrathWiki, not me.
Oh, OK. I hear registration is down lately, though.
That does not change anything. Anyone can update that page.

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Post by Khemehekis » 12 Nov 2015 23:31

masako wrote: That does not change anything. Anyone can update that page.
All I'm seeing at the top is "Page", "Discuss this page", "View source" and "History". When I click on "View source", I get this message at the top:

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users.
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Post by masako » 13 Nov 2015 01:32

You can't be this dense. If you're a user you CAN edit that page. If you're not a user all you need do is register...it's free and takes less than 5 minutes.

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Post by Khemehekis » 13 Nov 2015 04:07

masako wrote:You can't be this dense. If you're a user you CAN edit that page. If you're not a user all you need do is register...it's free and takes less than 5 minutes.
Oh, OK. I hear registration is down lately, though.
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Post by masako » 14 Nov 2015 00:16

Muke is working the issue. My point stands. Anyone with an account can edit that page.

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Half a point stands.

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Post by masako » 14 Nov 2015 12:03

MrKrov wrote:Half a point stands.
Gee, I'm sure glad you helped us settle that.

Anyway, Muke has fixed the registration issue. Anyone should be able to request an account now.

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Database error

A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.


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Post by masako » 16 Nov 2015 02:23

Feel free to let the admin know...his address is "Muke @ frath . net"

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Re: petaQ, tlhIngan Hol yIghojqu'

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masako wrote:Feel free to let the admin know...his address is "Muke @ frath . net"
Thanks!
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