Tea or Coffee?

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Re: Tea or Coffee?

Post by Iyionaku » 08 Dec 2017 11:15

:con: Yélian

Like many other languages, Yélian distinguishes two types of "or" for that. ù is used as an exclusive or and ùpa as inclusive or.

Barcai ditolvainu reselan ù garesif?
[ˈbaɾkɛɪ̯ dɨˈtɔ̈lvaɪ̯nu ɾəˈseːlɐn ʉ xɐˈɾeːsɨ]
ask-1SG COND=gift-COND.INV.2SG tea XOR coffee
Would you like tea or coffee?

Barcai ditolvainu reselan ùpa garesif?
[ˈbaɾkɛɪ̯ dɨˈtɔ̈lvaɪ̯nu ɾəˈseːlɐn ˈʉpɐ xɐˈɾeːsɨ]
ask-1SG COND=gift-COND.INV.2SG tea or coffee
Would you like (any) tea or coffee?

Barcai bei naporan ù nepian?
[ˈbaɾkaɪ̯ bɛɪ̯ ˈnaːpɔ̈ɾɐn ʉ ˈneːpɪ̯ɐn]
ask-1SG have-2SG son-PL XOR daughter-PL
Do you have sons or daughters?

Barcai bei naporan ùpa nepian?
[ˈbaɾkaɪ̯ bɛɪ̯ ˈnaːpɔ̈ɾɐn ˈʉpɐ ˈneːpɪ̯ɐn]
ask-1SG have-2SG son-PL or daughter-PL
Do you have (any) sons or daughters?
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Re: Tea or Coffee?

Post by Iyionaku » 08 Dec 2017 11:42

:con: Caelian

Caelian uses three constructions for "or" (actually there are even more, but only two matter for this challenge): inclusive or between nouns is expressed with the particle ubye (cognate to Yélian ùpa), while XOR between nouns is expressed with the equative case at the second noun, followed by suffixaufnahme of the first noun's case. "to drink tea" and "to drink coffee" are independent verbs in Caelian (although they are formed from the same roots as simply "tea" (*g-ts-j) and "coffee" (*g-rr-s)). Verbal phrases are either connected with ubye, just like nouns, or with the particle ür for XOR. The particle "tag" marks polar questions and cannot be used for other questions, as "barcai" in Yélian is.

I only noted now that you don't have to use "ubye" in the last sentence, it's clear from context.

Zanëz gitsajbeil ür girrasbeil?
[tʰag zaˈnəs gitʒajˈbɛɪ̯l yɾ girasˈbɛɪ̯l]
POT 2SG.VOC drink_tea.2SG-VOL XOR drink_coffee.2SG-VOL
Would you like tea or coffee?

Tag Zanëz gitsajbeil ubye girrasbeil?
[tʰag zaˈnəs gitʒajˈbɛɪ̯l uˈbʲɛ girasˈbɛɪ̯l]
POT 2SG.VOC drink_tea.2SG-VOL or drink_coffee.2SG-VOL
Would you like (any) tea or coffee?

Zan nopamurih napamorejur berye?
[zan nɔpʰamuˈrih napʰamɔreˈjuɾ beɾˈjɛ]
2SG.NOM son.PL.COM daughter.PL.EQU-COM COP.2SG>3PLINDEF
Do you have sons or daughters?

Zan nopamurih napamuri berye?
[zan nɔpʰamuˈrih napʰamuˈri beɾˈjɛ]
2SG.NOM son.PL.COM daughter.PL.COM COP.2SG>3PLDEF
Do you have sons or daughters?
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Re: Tea or Coffee?

Post by Iyionaku » 08 Dec 2017 14:41

:con: Ular

你得择茶择咖啡饮抓忈?
Má tā ngā tă ngā kápháj khūr?
2SG TOP XOR tea XOR coffee would_like
Would you like tea or coffee?

你得茶咖啡饮抓忈你?
Má tā tă kápháj khūr má?
2SG TOP tea coffee would_like 2SG
Would you like (any) tea or coffee?

你得择子仆择儿女仆园?
Má tā ngā lhà táng ngā rhánjón táng ù?
2SG TOP XOR son PL XOR daughter PL have
Do you have sons or daughters?

你得子儿女仆园你?
Má tā lhà rhánjón táng ù má?
2SG TOP son daughter PL have
Do you have sons or daughters?
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Re: Tea or Coffee?

Post by Reyzadren » 10 Dec 2017 00:57

:con: griuskant (without the conscript)

skuya kae ur sevk?
/'skuja 'ke ur 'səvk/
want-V tea or coffee
Want some tea or coffee?

skuya erdask urva?
/'skuja 'ərdask urva/
want-V water Q
Want some water?
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Re: Tea or Coffee?

Post by Iyionaku » 11 Dec 2017 09:05

:chn: Mandarin

I don't really have a clue how to translate the second and fourth sentence. My guess is X 还是 Y 吗, because my understanding is that 吗 turns everything before it into a polar question, but I'm not sure about it. Another option which sounds more evident to me would be Verb 不 Verb X 还是 Y. I'm looking forward to corrections.

您想茶还是咖啡?
Nín xiǎng chá háishì kāfēi?
[nin˧˥ ɕi̯aŋ˨˩ ͡tʂʰa˧˥ xaɪ̯˧˥ʂɹ̩˥˩ kʰa˥feɪ̯˥]
2SG.HON want tea or coffee
Would you like tea or coffee?

您想不想茶还是咖啡?
Nín xiǎng bù xiǎng chá háishì kāfēi?
[nin˧˥ ɕi̯aŋ˨˩ pu˥ ɕi̯aŋ˨˩ ͡tʂʰa˧˥ xaɪ̯˧˥ʂɹ̩˥˩ kʰa˥feɪ̯˥]
2SG.HON want NEG want tea or coffee
Would you like (any) tea or coffee or not?

你有一些儿子还是女儿?
Nǐ yǒu érzǐ háishì nǚ'ér?
[ni˧˦ jɔʊ̯˨˩ aɚ̯˧˥ t͡sɹ̩˨˩ xaɪ̯˧˥ʂɹ̩˥˩ ny˨˩aɚ̯˧˥]
2SG have son or daughter
Do you have sons or daughters?

你有没有儿子还是一些女儿?
Nǐ yǒu méiyǒu érzǐ háishì nǚ'ér?
[ni˧˦ jɔʊ̯˨˩ meɪ̯˧˥jɔʊ̯˨˩ aɚ̯˧˥ t͡sɹ̩˨˩ xaɪ̯˧˥ʂɹ̩˥˩ ny˨˩aɚ̯˧˥]
2SG have NEG have son or daughter
Do you have (any) sons or daughters?
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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Re: Tea or Coffee?

Post by Iyionaku » 11 Dec 2017 09:13

:con: Bath'aso

As always, Orkish uses assumptions instead of morphological questions. The difference is done that in the first case, not the word for "or", grt, is used, but instead the negative aspect for the second option. You basically say "You surely want tea, not coffee." and in the other case "You surely want tea or coffee."

Shels ishtikz tsha zar kapi.
[ʂɛls ˈiʂtikz̥ ͡tʂɑ zɑɾ ˈkapi]
POT want=2SG.ERG tea.ABS NEG coffee.ABS
Do you want tea or coffee?

Shels ishtikz tsha grt kapi.
[ʂɛls ˈiʂtikz̥ ͡tʂɑ ͡gɣ̩t ˈkapi]
POT want=2SG.ERG tea.ABS or coffee.ABS
Do you want tea or coffee?

Shels kralsokz tħommktu zar iptti.
[ʂɛls ˈkrɑlsɔkz̥ ˈtˤʌmːktɯ zɑɾ ˈiptːi]
POT have=2SG.ERG son-PL-ABS NEG daughter-PL-ABS
Do you have sons or daughters?

Shels kralsokz tħommktu grt iptti.
[ʂɛls ˈkrɑlsɔkz̥ ˈtˤʌmːktɯ ͡gɣ̩t ˈiptːi]
POT have=2SG.ERG son-PL-ABS or daughter-PL-ABS
Do you have (any) sons or daughters?
Wipe the glass. This is the usual way to start, even in the days, day and night, only a happy one.

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