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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Reyzadren » 07 Feb 2018 00:04

elemtilas wrote:
06 Feb 2018 04:03
Reyzadren wrote:
04 Feb 2018 07:16
With a new book and the updated list on frathwiki, the griuskant conlang now has a total publication of 5 books:
1 textbook, 2 translated literature sources and 2 beginner storybooks.
Nice! Interesting choice of Jeckyll & Hyde - - a personal favorite, or was there some other connexion to that work?

There's yet hope for the rest of us!
I just assumed that it was one of the easier books to read/translate, so I chose it.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Parlox » 08 Feb 2018 22:05

I've been working on a new conlang, which i am calling Bàsupan. Bàsupan is a triconsonantal root language. The only other interesting features of it are its evidentiality system, and it's OVS word order.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 09 Feb 2018 07:24

Completely revamped the pronouns in my Charric language families so they're less boring and more varied:

Nominative

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1s  | žaẏ   | yī     | žıẏ    | zē/zĭ
2ms | ḳa    | kuā    | kha    | ḳā/ḳă
2fs | ši    | hī     | ši     | sē/sĭ
3ms | na    | nā     | na     | nā/nă
3fs | si    | sī     | si     | sē/sĭ
1p  | yeš   | yēhī   | yeši   | yēsē 
2mp | ḳar   | kuāḏ   | khad   | ḳad
2fp | šir   | hīḏ    | šid    | sid
3mp | nar   | nāḏ    | nad    | nad
3fp | sir   | sīḏ    | sid    | sid
Accusative

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1s  | šadib | yīb    | žib    | zāyib
2ms | ḳab   | kuāib  | kheb   | ḳēb
2fs | šib   | hīb    | šib    | sīb
3ms | nab   | nāib   | neb    | nēb
3fs | sib   | sīb    | sib    | sīb
1p  | yešib | yēhīb  | yešib  | yēsīb 
2mp | ḳarib | kuāḏib | khadib | ḳāzib
2fp | širib | hīḏib  | šidib  | sēzib
3mp | narib | nāḏib  | nadib  | nāzib
3fp | sirib | sīḏib  | sidib  | sēzib
Genitive/Oblique

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1s  | šadik | yīak   | žek    | zāyak
2ms | ḳak   | kuāk   | khak   | ḳāk
2fs | šik   | hīak   | šek    | sīk
3ms | nak   | nāk    | nak    | nāk
3fs | sik   | sīak   | sek    | sīk
1p  | yešik | yēhīak | yešek  | yēsīk 
2mp | ḳarak | kuāḏak | khadak | ḳāzak
2fp | širak | hīḏak  | šidak  | sēzak
3mp | narak | nāḏak  | nadak  | nāzak
3fp | sirak | sīḏak  | sidak  | sēzak
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Frislander » 09 Feb 2018 12:57

Started working on Frislandian again, so now I have at least some words for rain, thunder and other weather phenomena:

tjyttirroju [ˈcytːɪˌɽojʊ] rain (lit.falling water)
opsi [ˈopʂɪ] cloud
àhlti [ˈâɬtɪ] fog
kóppurri [ˈkǒpːʊˌɽi] thunder (lit. thundering thing)
pàkali [ˈpâkəˌli] fork lightning (lit. thing that cracked/will crack)
llèpali [ˈɬêpəˌli] sheet lightning (lit. thing that flashed/will flash)

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by elemtilas » 10 Feb 2018 03:56

Reyzadren wrote:
07 Feb 2018 00:04
elemtilas wrote:
06 Feb 2018 04:03
Nice! Interesting choice of Jeckyll & Hyde - - a personal favorite, or was there some other connexion to that work?
I just assumed that it was one of the easier books to read/translate, so I chose it.
All the same, very impressive on your part!

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Post by bbbourq » 10 Feb 2018 04:05

I have made a slight variation in my Lorthoan calligraphy. This is still a work in progress. Click here to see my writing in motion.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by felipesnark » 10 Feb 2018 04:34

I modified Shonkasika's verb paradigm a bit. I made the aorist (a sort of gnomic and present habitual) and the past habitual members of a full-fledged habitual/gnomic aspect, bringing the total to four: simple(unspecified), habitual, perfect, prospective. The habitual will have two possible regular formations: the most common and currently productive way is a suffix (-li non-future, -lo future), called the 'weak habitual', and an older, non-productive way, partial reduplication of the beginning of the verb stem, called the 'strong habitual'.

Taken with the strong future (ablaut, unproductive) vs. weak future(suffix -bo, productive), and the two groups of regular perfect formation (both suffixes), Shonkasika now has 8 regular verb conjugation classes that are not predictable from the citation form, the active infinitive.

The conjugation classes are grouped into 4 general classes, with each one subdivided into subclass A (with Group A perfects, in -ipe) and subclass B (with Group B perfects, in -uka):

Class 1: weak habitual, weak future
Class 2: weak habitual, strong future
Class 3: strong habitual, strong future
Class 4: strong habitual, weak future

Class 1 has the most members by far, followed in numerical order by the others (at least for now).
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by LinguistCat » 12 Feb 2018 21:55

Better figured out what starting phonology my catlang has, and how sound changes early on are going to differentiate it from Old Japanese both phonologically and grammatically. [:3]

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Parlox » 13 Feb 2018 08:34

I've started work on a list of specific nouns and verbs showing how they can be formed in way not so English-esc. I had this idea when i read something about the words Snail and Slug often being one word in languages.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Hyolobrika » 13 Feb 2018 22:52

Parlox wrote:
13 Feb 2018 08:34
I've started work on a list of specific nouns and verbs showing how they can be formed in way not so English-esc. I had this idea when i read something about the words Snail and Slug often being one word in languages.
Can you explain further?

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » 13 Feb 2018 23:56

In Kankonian, you use a different word depending on whether you're talking about a terrestrial slug or a sea slug!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by shimobaatar » 15 Feb 2018 01:30

Frislander wrote:
09 Feb 2018 12:57
Started working on Frislandian again, so now I have at least some words for rain, thunder and other weather phenomena:

tjyttirroju [ˈcytːɪˌɽojʊ] rain (lit.falling water)
opsi [ˈopʂɪ] cloud
àhlti [ˈâɬtɪ] fog
kóppurri [ˈkǒpːʊˌɽi] thunder (lit. thundering thing)
pàkali [ˈpâkəˌli] fork lightning (lit. thing that cracked/will crack)
llèpali [ˈɬêpəˌli] sheet lightning (lit. thing that flashed/will flash)
There's just something about your languages, even including the sketch phonologies you sometimes post, that I tend to find very pleasing aesthetically across the board.

As far as I can tell, my last post in this thread about an accomplishment of my own was about 10 months ago. Time for some self-reflection and a status update that no one asked for.
Spoiler:
I've been really stuck in terms of conlanging for the past few years, really. When I was in high school, all of my linguistic knowledge was self-taught (looking back now that I'm in college, I actually think I did a half decent job teaching myself, but I can't express how glad I am to now be getting a formal education in this stuff), and I was sick at home in bed for almost two years, or, in other words, I had a lot of free time. Since Fall 2016, I've been a full-time college student, and my health's been a lot better. And those are good things! However, they also mean I have a lot less free time to conlang, or to do much of anything really (I'm absolutely terrible at time management, so I end up spending most of my waking hours on schoolwork). Additionally, I've been taking formal linguistics classes. This increase in my knowledge of how languages work, along with the expected shifts in my personal tastes that go along with aging, has made me come to really dislike most of my conlangs, including nearly everything that's been posted here.

I lost interest in making a priori languages for a while, but with a posteriori languages, resources are hard to find, it's difficult to avoid copying existing languages, and I end up comparing what I've made to natural languages a lot more than I did with my a priori conlangs. I'm still interested in making a posteriori languages, but lately I've been regaining interest in making a priori ones. Now that I'm taking more and more specialized linguistics classes, and I'm learning more and more about how languages work, hopefully I'll be able to make languages that I'll be able to stay proud of.

I think I've said here on the board before once or twice that I don't like to ever fully abandon a language. That's still absolutely the case. I've been looking over my old stuff recently, and trying to figure out what went wrong, and why I no longer like it. There seems to be a lot of stuff, especially aesthetically, that I was willing to put up with when I was even just a few years younger that I can no longer tolerate now. Another big thing seems to be that I was really afraid of putting restrictions on myself, especially phonologically, which led me to approach so-called "kitchen sink" territory. I'm currently working, sporadically, on updated versions of a lot of old stuff, but primarily Project Ypsilon, at least at the moment. I'm still trying to improve my health, and hopefully my productivity will improve along with it.

Maybe it's just because I've had a few bad experiences with language classes at my college, but I've also found myself growing disinterested in actually learning languages to speak them, as opposed to generally studying them as a linguist. I think that part of me is still interested, although I may just be trying to convince myself of that for nostalgia's sake. Maybe I just have to accept that I'm no longer interested in learning whatever languages are available to me, and/or find better classes? We'll see.

I've seemingly also fallen out of love with conworlding, to some degree. I still want to consider the world in which my a priori languages are hypothetically spoken, and the cultures by which they are hypothetically spoken, but I'm no longer interested in writing fiction set in that world and/or featuring those cultures. Maybe I'll change my mind back at some point, but I haven't been interested in that for a while now, really. I'm still very interested in writing, though, and I've actually had a lot of ideas in that regard over the past few years, but I think I'll stick to using Earth (albeit with some sci-fi/fantasy elements) as a setting.

It felt good to put this into words and type it all out. I don't expect anyone else to care. Hopefully I'll actually have some new and improved stuff of my own to post here in the relatively near future.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Ahzoh » 15 Feb 2018 17:58

I translate a sentence "Y'all have eight dogs" in Haxyakian and the Charric languages:

Haxyakian:
kā̀ḏ xéorvā xā́keān ōkṑm.
kā̀-ḏ xéorv-ā xā́ke-ān ō-kṑm
2ms.A-PL eight-FEM dog-FEM.P.PL NPST-hold
[kàːð xé.or.vaː xáː.ke.aːn oːkòːm]

West Charric:
ḳar šərva xacan nuḳumam.
[ˈkʼar ˈçər.βa xaˈcan nuˈkʼu.mam]

Central Charric:
k'ad šarva xacan nuk'mmam.
[ˈkʰɑd ʃɑrˈvɑ xɑˈtʃ͡ɑn nukʰˈmːam]

East Charric:
kuaḏ hēorvā xācēan ūkuom.
[ˈkʷað ˈhøːr.vaː ˈxaː.tʃ͡eː.an ˈu.kʷom]

Northeast Charric:
ḳad sērvă xācan nōḳwāmam.
[ˈkˤad ˈseːr.vˤə xaːˈts͡an noːkˤ.waːˈmam]
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by kiwikami » 15 Feb 2018 23:55

I re-figured-out Alál's voice system, which is a grand mess. There is an active/"passive" distinction (more of an inverse, but the passive is also used to promote oblique nouns to subject position, so the name is inaccurate anyhow) as well as a separate "causative" marker which essentially just increases the valency by one. This interacts with the prepositions kxa and zta, where the former fills space in the "argument queue" (allowing a third argument when the verb specifies only two) and the latter cycles the queue forward by one (allowing the first argument to be popped out of the verb and made into an oblique object, letting the second and third be specified by verbal agreement). So, the verb describes XY and kxa allows Z, while zta specifies X and allows the verb to describe YZ. The passive/inverse swaps the verb arguments, thus allowing all three to be (through various combinations of inversion and kxa/zta) in subject position, which is necessary to form subordinate clauses and the closest things Alál has to adjectives.

Uhtá. - Active Transitive
see<1.2>
I see you.

Uhtát. - Passive Transitive
see<1.2>-PASS
I am seen by you.

Uhá. - Active Intransitive
see<1>
I am visible/I reflect light.

Uháaxt. - Circumstantial
see<1>-under-PASS
I have underneath me something visible.

Zta Uháaxkxat aẓár. - Circumstantial
zta see<1>-under-kxa-PASS 2<OBL.AUG>
I have underneath me something being seen by you.

These constructions are extremely relevant to subordinate clauses, noun modifiers, and name formation.
--- You can actually get as far as a circumstantial causative, which through promotion of the "under" oblique forces a fourth argument (giving us XYZQ) into subject position, but this pushes the third argument out of the zta-kxa queue, and there is no longer any way to refer to it. Zta gives us X, and pushes YZ forward into the verb agreement, but that position is already filled by Q (indicated by the "intransitive passive" construction); kxa fills the next empty space, which should be Z but is instead Y because Q took Y's slot in the verb. This means that Z is left out in the cold; you can never specify, using this construction, what is being shown:

Uháaxkxaztaùt.
see<1>-under-kxa-zta-CAUS-PASS
I have someone showing something to someone else underneath me.

Ztaù aẓár kxa Uháaxùt asáḷ.
zta-PREP 2<OBL.AUG> kxa see<1>-under-CAUS-PASS 3<OBL.AUG>
I have you showing something to him underneath me.

I do feel obliged to mention that this is intended to be an alien language and not especially naturalistic, but I am nonetheless quite happy that (after, what, three years now?) I at last have a system that reliably works.
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by shimobaatar » 18 Feb 2018 04:25

This is technically an accomplishment from late last June, but I don't think I ever mentioned it here.

For years I'd been calling my conworld "Bwana" /ˈbwana~ˈbʷana/. I can't even remember how I came up with that name, because it doesn't mean anything, and it doesn't even fit the phonology of my main conlang (an eventual descendent of the protolang for Project Ypsilon). I'd never really been satisfied with it, and at at some point I found out that it means master, lord, or boss in Swahili, but it got the job done well enough.

However, I guess I got fed up with it near the beginning of last summer, and came up with "Hamyo" /ˈhamʲo/ as a replacement. It doesn't mean anything either (at least not yet), but I currently like the sound of it a lot better.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Khemehekis » 18 Feb 2018 06:59

shimobaatar wrote:
15 Feb 2018 01:30
As far as I can tell, my last post in this thread about an accomplishment of my own was about 10 months ago. Time for some self-reflection and a status update that no one asked for.
Spoiler:
I've been really stuck in terms of conlanging for the past few years, really. When I was in high school, all of my linguistic knowledge was self-taught (looking back now that I'm in college, I actually think I did a half decent job teaching myself, but I can't express how glad I am to now be getting a formal education in this stuff), and I was sick at home in bed for almost two years, or, in other words, I had a lot of free time. Since Fall 2016, I've been a full-time college student, and my health's been a lot better. And those are good things! However, they also mean I have a lot less free time to conlang, or to do much of anything really (I'm absolutely terrible at time management, so I end up spending most of my waking hours on schoolwork). Additionally, I've been taking formal linguistics classes. This increase in my knowledge of how languages work, along with the expected shifts in my personal tastes that go along with aging, has made me come to really dislike most of my conlangs, including nearly everything that's been posted here.

I lost interest in making a priori languages for a while, but with a posteriori languages, resources are hard to find, it's difficult to avoid copying existing languages, and I end up comparing what I've made to natural languages a lot more than I did with my a priori conlangs. I'm still interested in making a posteriori languages, but lately I've been regaining interest in making a priori ones. Now that I'm taking more and more specialized linguistics classes, and I'm learning more and more about how languages work, hopefully I'll be able to make languages that I'll be able to stay proud of.

I think I've said here on the board before once or twice that I don't like to ever fully abandon a language. That's still absolutely the case. I've been looking over my old stuff recently, and trying to figure out what went wrong, and why I no longer like it. There seems to be a lot of stuff, especially aesthetically, that I was willing to put up with when I was even just a few years younger that I can no longer tolerate now. Another big thing seems to be that I was really afraid of putting restrictions on myself, especially phonologically, which led me to approach so-called "kitchen sink" territory. I'm currently working, sporadically, on updated versions of a lot of old stuff, but primarily Project Ypsilon, at least at the moment. I'm still trying to improve my health, and hopefully my productivity will improve along with it.

Maybe it's just because I've had a few bad experiences with language classes at my college, but I've also found myself growing disinterested in actually learning languages to speak them, as opposed to generally studying them as a linguist. I think that part of me is still interested, although I may just be trying to convince myself of that for nostalgia's sake. Maybe I just have to accept that I'm no longer interested in learning whatever languages are available to me, and/or find better classes? We'll see.

I've seemingly also fallen out of love with conworlding, to some degree. I still want to consider the world in which my a priori languages are hypothetically spoken, and the cultures by which they are hypothetically spoken, but I'm no longer interested in writing fiction set in that world and/or featuring those cultures. Maybe I'll change my mind back at some point, but I haven't been interested in that for a while now, really. I'm still very interested in writing, though, and I've actually had a lot of ideas in that regard over the past few years, but I think I'll stick to using Earth (albeit with some sci-fi/fantasy elements) as a setting.

It felt good to put this into words and type it all out. I don't expect anyone else to care. Hopefully I'll actually have some new and improved stuff of my own to post here in the relatively near future.
Wow! Thanks for sharing this, Shimobaatar. I'm glad you're back to a priori languages, because I prefer them myself. A posteriori conlanging has never been fun for me.

And I'm glad that you don't scrap, because I'd hate to see Project Ypsilon go. I trust you'll do a good job at fixing the kitchen-sinkiness. Just remember: if the conlang is actually workable, rather than only existing as a description, it's not a kitchen-sink language.

And the search option shows only your last post in the results for the word "Hamyo", so you must not have mentioned it here!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Lambuzhao » 18 Feb 2018 07:17

Khemehekis wrote:
18 Feb 2018 06:59

And I'm glad that you don't scrap,
PLZ don't scrap!!!
Recycle! Repurpose!!
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by shimobaatar » 18 Feb 2018 09:03

Khemehekis wrote:
18 Feb 2018 06:59
I'm glad you're back to a priori languages, because I prefer them myself. A posteriori conlanging has never been fun for me.

And I'm glad that you don't scrap, because I'd hate to see Project Ypsilon go.
Ah, thank you! I should clarify, though, that I'm not done with a posteriori languages by any means. My refusal to "scrap" also extends to that kind of conlang.
Khemehekis wrote:
18 Feb 2018 06:59
I trust you'll do a good job at fixing the kitchen-sinkiness. Just remember: if the conlang is actually workable, rather than only existing as a description, it's not a kitchen-sink language.
Certainly, but "kitchen-sinks" or not, my goal is to be able to be satisfied with what I make.

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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Parlox » 21 Feb 2018 23:32

I have radically changed one of my conlangs and renamed it Oochocreek. It's inspired by various north american languages such as Seneca, Otomi, Ojibwe, and Cherokee. Oochocreek is also somewhat inspired by Quechua.
  • :con: Cajun, a descendant of French spoken in Louisiana.
  • :con: Bàsupan, loosely inspired by Amharic.
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Re: What did you accomplish today?

Post by Thrice Xandvii » 22 Feb 2018 00:22

shimobaatar wrote:
15 Feb 2018 01:30
[...] I don't expect anyone else to care. [...]
I just wanted to call this sentiment out a bit...

I am fully sure that lots of people are pleased to see your posting and commenting, no matter the content, because you are a valued part of the forum. I know this could come off a bit sappy, or whatever, but it's true. You were missed during your longish abscence from the boards, and folks have lamented (more than once) that you're not a part of the Discord server. Please don't feel like anything you have to say on here isn't of value.

There, now I can be done being nice for a while. 😋
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