CBB Conlang Relay IX

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by DesEsseintes » 24 Feb 2018 13:51

Jackk wrote:
24 Feb 2018 12:48
The big handedness is definitely somewhat on me [:D] . I put "a big handful of the villagers" to mean "many of the villagers"... and then never explained that sense of the word fo "hand" anywhere. [xD]
Lol!

That was one of the weirdest sentences for me in the relay as gestaltist’s Nakarian sentence glossed as sth along the lines of
big hand-having people
which I interpreted as “giants with hands”. My delightful giants then swiftly evaporated. [xD]

I’m also responsible for the moon becoming a star, cos Núta lacks a word for ‘moon’ for in-world reasons.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Nachtuil » 24 Feb 2018 15:08

This looks like it was fun! I hope to take part in the next one :)

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by DzêtaRedfang » 24 Feb 2018 18:01

Iyionaku wrote:
24 Feb 2018 10:51
Reyzandren wrote:
24 Feb 2018 06:23
The old beautiful lord with grey hair sees a thingamajig.
loglorn wrote:
24 Feb 2018 06:23
An old beautiful chief saw something.
Yeah... I propably would have handled it that way too.
kiwikami wrote:
24 Feb 2018 06:49
The beautiful man became an angry man, then a sad man, and then everyone was miserable.
I feel a little bad for changing the man from 'beautiful' to 'angry' - poor guy! I just hope that there is no parallel universe somehow where now a maid changed into a miserable man and vanished...

What happened is that: The noun phrase DzêtaRedfang provided me was xãiyë obrämøkä yã fläbmøkä eu üþmøkä.

xãiyë = chief
obrämøkä = old
fläbmøkä = bloody
üþmøkä = hot

From the particles in that phrase, I somehow determined that it should mean "hot-blooded old chief". Most likely this is even correct, but unlike I assumed, being in hot blood apparently is no synonym for anger in Atruozan culture, but for handsomeness. Well...
Yeah, you are right, it does mean hot-blooded old chief. I am glad that my torch was well done enough for you to translate it with the degree of accuracy you did. Atruozan in its full glory isn't the easiest thing to figure out when broken down like that. I remember making an image for a lexember day in the past, so I'll post it below. Just note that the phrase given is from an older form of the lang, so the affixes are different than the current ones.
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tl;dr : It stems from the language being spoken in polar regions in really cold climates.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by cedh » 24 Feb 2018 21:39

Wow, this text really changed a lot! Very nice!

I'm the one who introduced the elders and the megalith. This happened because (a) I always try to make relay texts fit in with my concultures (in this case, a late chalcolithic / early bronze age society in which astronomy has religious significance, and where megaliths mark the places from where the stars should be watched), and (b) because in the text I received, it was not clear to me whether "he" (one good man) and "they" (several good men) were meant to be the same or different, so I decided to just talk about a group of elders who can be assumed to have lots of experience observing the stars.

I also seem to have introduced a couple of other minor things in the process of rendering the story with the typical (and often slightly idiomatic) serial verb constructions of Ronc Tyu, such as the detail that the elders turn around before looking towards the stars, which is a slightly too literal translation of the Ronc Tyu gyè ruzruo ngòc, 'shift one's position and lift the eyes', where gyè 'move sideways, shift one's position' appears only because ruzruo 'raise, lift', like all verbs with the causative prefix rV-, is syntactically defective and can't be used without a (semantically fairly empty) second verb to support it... [;)]

By the way, the translation listed under my name in the results post is the one I made when deciphering the Silvish text, so it doesn't really show what happened during my turn. A proper back-translation of the Ronc Tyu text is here: (it would be nice if kiwikami could add it to the results post!)
This moment was very much perfect. Before sunrise, the elders got up and walked to the megalith at the shore of the lake. There was a single cloud high above their village, but apart from that the sky was cold and clear and completely free of clouds.

The elders quietly stood at the shore and looked up to the stars. They were wise and understood why people were sad, why they kept worrying whether things might have a hidden meaning, and why they were trying to find out which star was the brightest one.

And for those who are interested, here's a full interlinear gloss of my Ronc Tyu torch:
Ki línc mumbùn nyac.
this SGV\time INTENS~good win
This moment was very much perfect.

Nyu nrènc, hunc ndzu kein zúc zúc do ruoc runc sáe rae yaon.
see sunrise, elders rise go_from.1 walk walk come_to.3I megalith beside shores at_edge_of lake
Before sunrise, the elders got up and walked to the megalith at the shore of the lake.

Trà sru yéi poun poun màc yu ndzì ko,
exist INDEF.A SGV\clouds above above village of 3A.COLL barely
There was a single cloud high above their village,

kè wèi kù hru, myòu trae làe o dzó pec tác kàc tè tè léi.
but outside that detail, sky cold clear and same.A NEG hold carry any any clouds
but apart from that the sky was cold and clear and completely free of clouds.

Hunc tò pùn suo sáe o dzó gyè ruzruo ngòc yunc myen nyu láo myéc.
elders silent stand LOC.STAT shores and same.A shift_position lift eyes concentrate look see watch stars
The elders quietly stood at the shore and looked up to the stars.

Ndzì tsáo ndźei dwá trén tsèi gyào twín yèanc,
3A.COLL wise know understand which.I reason REL.I PL\person sad
They were wise and understood why people were sad,

trén tsèi gyào ndźi lùo lùo zrin trá ndáo tó,
which.I reason REL.I 3A.PL worry worry HYP Q PL\thing significant
why they kept worrying whether things might have a hidden meaning,

o trén tsèi gyào ndźí ndźù pwì pou mba myéc bùn źùn bwí nwa xòac nú myéc.
and which.I reason REL.I 3A.PL search try find SGV stars REL.A shine bright exceed all.COLL other stars
and why they were trying to find out which star was the brightest one.
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Re: CBB Clongo Relay IX

Post by Fluffy8x » 24 Feb 2018 22:12

Not to mention that I turned the man's hair from white to grey, just because Middle Rymakonian uses the same word for white, grey and black.
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Iyionaku » 26 Feb 2018 09:25

Iyionaku wrote:
24 Feb 2018 10:38
kiwikami, apparently I am the only one who has not sent you the description. In the last relay, nobody did that, so that buffles me a little...

I just sent you the description. Would you kindly update the post for me? Thanks!
I don't want to be nagging, but why did you update everyone else's request but not mine?
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by kiwikami » 26 Feb 2018 11:18

Iyionaku wrote:
26 Feb 2018 09:25
Iyionaku wrote:
24 Feb 2018 10:38
kiwikami, apparently I am the only one who has not sent you the description. In the last relay, nobody did that, so that buffles me a little...

I just sent you the description. Would you kindly update the post for me? Thanks!
I don't want to be nagging, but why did you update everyone else's request but not mine?
Ack, sorry, I got lost in the multitude of updates and also real world things. I shall do so now if my phone allows it, and if not, then in the morning when I'm at my laptop. My apologies!
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Reyzadren » 11 Mar 2018 04:02

What does Google Translate think your relay torch was?
Kiwikami - Ngäliv Ëra = Luxembourgish
Fluffy8x - Middle Rymakonian = Croatian
Reyzadren - griuskant = Hindi
loglorn - Proto-Kame = Slovak
DzêtaRedfang - Atruozan = Finnish
Iyionaku - Caelian = Turkish
opipik = Javanese
Ser - araya = Sundanese
Jackk - Duban = Polish
Parlox - Lozkazmat = English
gestaltist - Nakarian = Yoruba
DesEsseintes - Núta = Igbo
bbbourq - Lortho
Dormouse559 - Silvish = French [xD]
cedh - Ronc Tyu = Vietnamese
Frislander - Frislandian = Hungarian
shimobaatar - Visigothic = Galician
Using Google Translate on the original text then cycling through those natlangs in that order:
Spoiler:
Not only for buildings, but for homes, water and colleagues, but we do not know when you are in the city. He had a good light, and he sat there and found his boyfriend and the other parts of the blue.
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by DesEsseintes » 11 Mar 2018 04:47

Reyzadren wrote:
11 Mar 2018 04:02
Google Translate stuff
Great idea, Reyzadren! [:D]
gestaltist - Nakarian = Yoruba
DesEsseintes - Núta = Igbo
Two closely related languages in succession. Interesting.
Not only for buildings, but for homes, water and colleagues, but we do not know when you are in the city. He had a good light, and he sat there and found his boyfriend and the other parts of the blue.[/spoiler]
I wonder how Google Translate picked up on the fact that half the CBB is LGBQT... [xD]

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Frislander » 11 Mar 2018 14:58

That text is actually surprisingly cogent for something so random.
DesEsseintes wrote:
11 Mar 2018 04:47
gestaltist - Nakarian = Yoruba
DesEsseintes - Núta = Igbo
Two closely related languages in succession. Interesting.
Also how on earth did they match Núta with Igbo. They're so dissimilar.

I'm not surprised I was assigned to Hungarian though.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Dormouse559 » 11 Mar 2018 19:25

Reyzadren wrote:
11 Mar 2018 04:02
Dormouse559 - Silvish = French [xD]
Do you ever get the feeling a computer just gets you? [:'(]
[Insert "Her" gif]
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by shimobaatar » 11 Mar 2018 20:05

Dormouse559 wrote:
11 Mar 2018 19:25
Reyzadren wrote:
11 Mar 2018 04:02
Dormouse559 - Silvish = French [xD]
Do you ever get the feeling a computer just gets you? [:'(]
[Insert "Her" gif]
[Insert "Ex Machina" gif]
Oh my god… I just had to watch and write about both of those movies for a class of mine. [O.O]

Anyway, cool addition, Reyzadren! I'm pretty happy with it thinking Visigothic is Galician.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by bbbourq » 12 Mar 2018 00:34

I sent the English translation and Lortho grammar notes. Sorry about that.
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by loglorn » 21 Mar 2018 17:42

How on earth did it conclude Proto-Kame was Slovak?? I'd've expected something uralic or turkic, which are the usual answers i get when i ask about aesthetics.
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by kiwikami » 22 Mar 2018 07:26

The actual Google Translate results are rather amusing as well for some of these.

Visigothic "Galician" becomes:
"Çata mel yst rich. The fiercene ones have already gone beyond the mural megawatts outside the city. Yene micile milma ligeç ufar uique sinata, ac allalicos, and eighteenth cald, the sun escine, already the hymine or the milestone of the old quarter. The fiercene ones are selenct at the mark af çana xu, austanan, ya oxuhan ana yena eschérnon my uegona sines. They scare sound, and they smell it on the edge of the river, the Bamako afana hurried down, they spit on her back, they whispered and they smoked."

Ronc Tyu "Vietnamese" becomes:
"The mummy nyac Nyu no kun, hunc kin kin by the end of the race rae yaon. Tea sow yei poun poun that yu nkì ko, kè wèi kù hru, I was afraid of the pecking on the nose. Hunc puddled his nose and yelled at me. If you're going to go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school."

And Frislandian "Hungarian" becomes:
"Tìna ari tjala. Hlzzun, however, went on to say goodbye to his boss. The prices of their opi iguas, their prices, their prices, their prices, their moru opsi nemat pamperukuk.
However, the sword of Hezbollah is crazy about them, and theirs, and they do not hurt the pytarri sërtarryk. The Ekanel powulys tàwas küsi, including a carrots, a sea pythagorean, a coconut, a stone."

Silvish "French":
"The summer lou good mouman. Li bbon-i-z hammen-aeye egg cotta en-e maezo cotta leyou. The i-ya pa neble or matte. Had vvaeze of grante nneble damonti of lour villadjou. The O is at the heart of the fan-theater by the most benevolent scene. This is O, li bonz O; He understood his tristize e by the fact that he had been distracted by the ettaele lae bbriillan."

Núta "Igbo":
"It's a crazy look. Neswerú · ku tsıre ahà · tıku huhyarí · ku yá · nwa tharetseké · re hatú · newı. Eyewitness ısyé · ka utsné · ye ay. You have to edit · redirect · to edit · rye natsısıwá · rıye áyasewa. Your email address is here, heyasewewí · u nyá'sewa Hyehtatá · wa. If you do not know, you can not do it; Asruyuwí · yıte sėh esksurye'hú · This is the best solution for Hyehtatá · wa ní · yut ȧhwıwısthústre."

Nakarian "Yoruba":
"In addition, you will be able to find out what you are doing, and how to use theeshaôbo iibyóo oma. She did not know what to do. Bezbée orawe ôttômbâibóo jan warmly kisses, bezêbe tamovậạ koo kày. Click on a link to the content of your blog. The only thing to do is to know; hozéy hostibóo tsomạwèe koo kàwe ho ệmbarasậxàa labo ombama."

Proto-Kame "Slovak":
"you do not have to miss a lot of joy in your life. nöestur jyri nöjii nöo lhyjöe nööm nöpikdabli jydti ola, nömilhiohon dablu nööm krio jut sohutö. nököluilkö nönop tolbyn, jydte nenakuohon nööm akbyn. do not eat. I will not be able to use it anymore."

And the one that managed to be almost entirely "translated", Opipik's unnamed conlang, "Javanese":
"You have to go to bed, to arrange to arrange, to arrange for munkunai. To be happy, to be aware, to be successful, I'm sorry to hear that. I'll save you by my head. If you want to eat, I'll be there, and I'll take care of it."

Atruozan is entirely untranslated except that the phrase "and you can also see that there is a glance in your eyes" shows up partway through the "Finnish" text. The others are all for the most part left untouched by Google Translate's poor, confused algorithm.


In participant order, it makes for... some sort of strange dream narrative:
Spoiler:
 You do not have to miss a lot of joy in your life. Do not eat. I will not be able to use it anymore. And you can also see that there is a glance in your eyes. You have to go to bed, to arrange, to arrange, to arrange for munkunai. To be happy, to be aware, to be successful, I'm sorry to hear that. I'll save you by my head. If you want to eat, I'll be there, and I'll take care of it. In addition, you will be able to find out what you are doing, and how to use theeshaôbo iibyóo oma. She did not know what to do. Warmly kisses. Click on a link to the content of your blog. The only thing to do is to know.
 It's a crazy look... You have to edit · redirect · to edit. Your email address is here. If you do not know, you can not do it... This is the best solution for Hyehtatá. The summer... the O is at the heart of the fan-theater by the most benevolent scene. This is O... He understood his tristize e by the fact that he had been distracted by the ettaele lae bbriillan Hlzzun, however, went on to say goodbye to his boss. The prices of their opi iguas, their prices, their prices, their prices.
 However, the sword of Hezbollah is crazy about them, and theirs, and they do not hurt the pytarri sërtarryk. Including a carrots, a sea pythagorean, a coconut, a stone. The mummy... by the end of the race... I was afraid of the pecking on the nose. Hunc puddled his nose and yelled at me. If you're going to go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school.
 The fiercene ones have already gone beyond the mural megawatts outside the city... and eighteenth cald, the sun escine, already the hymine or the milestone of the old quarter. The fiercene ones are selenct at the mark... They scare sound, and they smell it on the edge of the river, the Bamako afana hurried down, they spit on her back, they whispered and they smoked.
"A carrots. A sea pythagorean. A coconut. A stone."
Why do I find this so amusing?
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by gestaltist » 22 Mar 2018 22:29

Lol, Nakarian = Yoruba confirmed. I wonder how it will fare after I finish my phonology overhaul.

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by DesEsseintes » 23 Mar 2018 05:01

kiwikami wrote:
22 Mar 2018 07:26
Why do I find this so amusing?
Because it really is very amusing. [xD]

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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Dezinaa » 23 Mar 2018 05:22

kiwikami wrote:
22 Mar 2018 07:26
Ronc Tyu "Vietnamese" becomes:
"[...] go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school."
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Iyionaku » 23 Mar 2018 17:02

DesEsseintes wrote:
23 Mar 2018 05:01
If you're going to go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school, go to school.
If I read that anywhere and didn't know it was just shitty google translate, I'd think about that sentence a long time. It is surprisingly deep.
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Re: CBB Conlang Relay IX

Post by Iyionaku » 20 Aug 2018 13:55

Reyzandren wrote:The whole town does some external inclusivity during the morning twilight mist.
That being said, how about a new relay, guys?
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