Do you want to go home?

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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by k1234567890y » 03 Aug 2018 14:49

:con: Lonmai Luna

tak kat daler soho oli dowala?
/täk kät däle̞ɹ so̞ho̞ o̞li do̞wälä/
tak kat daler soho oli dowala?
Q 2.SG want go to home?
Do you want to go home?

:con: Mayato MKII

Due to its polysynthetic nature, it is possible to express some sentences with a "single" word, and this is one of the examples that can be expressed with a "single" word.

utsokrim
/ut͡so̞krim/
u-tso-k-ri-m
2.SG.A-home-go-DES-Q
Do you want to go home?
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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by kiwikami » 29 Oct 2018 22:08

:con: Undercommon

Éemtha Chalt cíche?
/eɪ̯.em.ɬɑ xɑlt 'ki.ki/
['eɪ̯mɬ xɑlt 'ki.çe]
o-iem-dh=sa Chal-t cí~cí
IPFV.VOL-OPT-2sg=2sg.NOM home-ACC again~be.at
Do you want to go home?
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.

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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by Jackk » 30 Oct 2018 01:19

Boral: Desir-tu var cas tey ?
Duban: Noh ay me ep maxo as?
PZ: Yungibac vaim?

want=2s go.inf to.home 2s.dsj
want 2s go irr house 2s.gn
2s.vol-return homeward

/deˈsiʁ ti ˌvaʁ cas ˈti/
/ˈnox aj ˌme ep ˈmakso ˌas/
/ˌjunˈkipak ˌʋaim/
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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by brblues » 10 Nov 2018 22:12

:con: Ancient Vaal

Sóga omo ò-rába taraş bes?
['søga 'omo ø:-'reba 'taraş bes]
ERG\2sg ABS\home TR.DEF-IRR\go DES Q


The mood of the verb - which would be "rábá" in the realis mood - is irrealis here, indicated by vowel mutation into a pattern of a front vowel followed by back vowel (termed "falling" vowel pattern/"melody") in the root. The irrealis mood here is even required for not one but two reasons, namely the fact that the sentence is a question as well as the use of the desiderative marker "taraş", indicating the desire of the agent/subject.

Otherwise, this sentence is fairly straightforward to render in Ancient Vaal, provided that one is familiar with the usage of the so-called "verbal prefix", which encodes both the transitivity of the verb and the definiteness of the absolutive argument.

In the above sentence, the verbal prefix is "ò" [ø:], signifying firstly that the verb here is transitive: the destination one goes to is a direct object in AV, so "home" in the absolutive case precedes the verb. From that it also follows that "you" must be in the ergative case. Secondly, the verbal prefix here marks the preceding absolutive argument - "home" - as definite, not necessarily because it has been mentioned before, but due to this being an idiomatic expression (use of the verbal prefix marking "omo" as indefinite here would be understood as "a house").

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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by Imralu » 11 Nov 2018 20:44

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O via lako ki vale?
[o ˈβia ˈlako (k)i ˈβale↗︎]
2S.SUBJ want go to house
Do you want to go home?
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific, AG = agent, E = entity (person, animal, thing)
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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by Imralu » 03 Jan 2019 09:14

:con: Ngolu / Iliaqu

Please don't compare the vocab with that of Wena /Ngehu. I shamelessly reuse vocabulary in various conlangs without any kind of system. They don't exist in the same universe.

Ngolu is a bit syntactically over the top, I think. I gave it a lot of ways to restructure sentences for extra flexibility, but sometimes I feel there are too many ways. Here's a bunch of different possibilities with subtle differences in meaning, if at all.

1) More or less direct translation. Can also mean "to the house".

Ha bio hu vu / uas exi mala.
Do you want to go/come to the house? / Do you want to go/come home.

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ha  bio   hu       vu         / ua        -s  exi              mala 
Q   want  go/come  NOM.2S.ICS / NOM.2S.ACS-E  DAT.3S.DEF.INAN  house
[VP_____________]  [NOM....................]  [DAT.................]
2) With the destination incorporated into the predicate. The nominal exi (≈ article, "to the") can optionally be incorporated into the predicate too, but for this to happen, it needs to be marked with the copula/verbaliser g- /ŋ/ which allows it to sit within the verbal phrase prevents it from ending the verbal phrase and starting a new adjunct. Without the gexi, the mala could be taken to be definite or indefinite, specific or non-specific, but gexi's inclusion emphasises its definiteness.

Ha bio hu (gexi) mala vu / ua?
Do you want to go/come home? / Do you want to go/come to a (the) house.

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ha  bio   hu       (g- exi            )  mala   vu         / ua          
Q   want  go/come  (VB-DAT.3S.DEF.INAN)  house  NOM.2S.ICS / NOM.2S.ACS
[VP__________________________________________]  [NOM..................]
- Note that this sentence would also be grammatical with exi instead of gexi, but it is a highly marked word order because the nominative adjunct vu or ua here is "unfilled" (light, represented only by a single nominal) and the heavier filled dative adjunct exi mala would ordinarily come after it.) Simply having a long predicate phrase at the beginning of the sentence is not so marked, but even then, it can be split, with any adjunct being placed inside it somewhere and then the resumption of the predicate is marked with the predicate prefix i-, which basically allows for fronting or partial fronting of topics or light adjuncts and backing of excessively heavy verb phrases or parts of them (particularly of relative clauses within the verb phrase, which are just about always backed).
- Also note that the presence of gexi within the verb phrase makes hu "go/come" redundant, as a verbalised dative nominal can be used as a verb of motion (i.e. gexi "go to it", gexi mala "go to the house"). Hu "go/come to" does tend to emphasise the perfectiveness of a motion as opposed to the imperfective mia "be on the way to", but gexi would probably be interpreted as perfective anyway, so ... still redundant.


3) Probably the most compact and precise form is with the derivational prefix e- added to mala. E- almost certainly has the same origin as the dative case marker on nominals, but it's derivational when added to a verbal (mala = NOM is a house) to get another verbal (emala = NOM goes home). Emala specifically means "go/come home" and not just "go/come to any old house".

Ha bios emala vu / ua?
Do you want to go/come home?

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ha  bio -s  emala         vu         / ua         
Q   want-E  go/come.home  NOM.2S.ICS / NOM.2S.ACS
[VP____________________]  [NOM....................]
Any of the above forms can be rearranged with any and/or all of the adjuncts fronted to the beginning or between any two words in the predicate phrase, any non-initial part of the predicate is marked with the i- prefix. E.g. instead of Ha bios emala ua?, any of the following could be used depending on wherever you feel like dropping the subject:

(1) Ua iha bios emala?
Ua is very, conspicuously fronted and probably understood as a topic, such as when contrastic different people. I've just said what I want, but do you want to go home?

(2) Ha ua ibios emala?
I think this order is mostly used to draw attention to the fact that this is a question and it's aimed at you. "Hey, do you want to go home?"

Ha bio ua iemala?
I think this order emphasises that I'm really asking you what you want. It's up to you.

Thinking about it, I think the fronted element is a bit topicalised and also places emphasis on the immediately preceding part of the predicate phrase. I guess the result of all of this shifting around is that intonation is less likely to be used for emphasising different things and that's good because I'm already out of my depth with the simple and regular tone system, so I can just focus on making sure I pronounce/imagine the tones right.

And somehow I've managed to write the most on probably the most syntactically undemanding translation challenge.
Glossing Abbreviations: COMP = comparative, C = complementiser, ACS / ICS = accessible / inaccessible, GDV = gerundive, SPEC / NSPC = specific / non-specific, AG = agent, E = entity (person, animal, thing)
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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by Nloki » 03 Feb 2019 12:18

:con: Nłokjenkaitää.
Kid'mii Kuivältää meniike daa?
want-DCL;PST,2ndP;SG move/go/come-1stINF YES/NO?
Do you want to go home?

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Re: Do you want to go home?

Post by Frislander » 05 Feb 2019 21:46

:con: Asta

xə rə‘iŋə‘ti‘tuwə ‘ix‘ə taŋayəx
xə rə-‘-<ŋə>VCC-i‘tə-wə ‘-i‘x-‘ə taŋa-yəx
INT 2s-IV-<IRR>PROG-like-PROG IV-walk-NOM house-ADV
Do you want to go home?

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