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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by Micamo » 02 Aug 2018 11:33

Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by Salmoneus » 02 Aug 2018 12:06

Micamo wrote:
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Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
Sorry, I'm not sure I understand the question?

Do you mean would anyone object? [which would be the normal interpretation IMD but seems to require some strange assumptions]
Or do you mean would anyone have sympathy and compassion?

It seems the most likely meaning is that you're asking whether anyone would be happy - but for the record, I don't think that's a normal way to ask that question IMD ('care' almost always being negative in some way).


But if that is your question, then the answer of course is 'it depends'.
If you want to start conlanging again, and do, then that of course would be good and I - and i'm sure others - would be glad to hear it.
But if you don't want to start conlanging again and do because for some reason you feel you have to, then that would be bad and I - and doubtless most people - would be sad to hear it.

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by gestaltist » 02 Aug 2018 12:09

Micamo wrote:
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Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
Hey Micamo. I would definitely like having you around again.

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by Lao Kou » 02 Aug 2018 13:04

Micamo wrote:
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Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
The obvious answer is a resounding "yes"; you are a valued member of our community and we always look forward to your projects, insights, and comments. The less-than-obvious answer is: "Why are you framing this as a pass-agg question?"
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by Creyeditor » 02 Aug 2018 13:36

Micamo wrote:
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Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
Yes, yes, yes [:)] I always loved your work
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by DesEsseintes » 02 Aug 2018 17:46

Micamo wrote:
02 Aug 2018 11:33
Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
[<3]
Would be the best thing evar!
Lao Kou wrote:
02 Aug 2018 13:04
"Why are you framing this as a pass-agg question?"
What is a “pass-egg question”?

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by Egerius » 02 Aug 2018 18:45

Micamo wrote:
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Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
I would care, positively.
Come back to conlanging and conworlding if you have the energy and time to do so. [:)]
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by shimobaatar » 02 Aug 2018 19:04

Micamo wrote:
02 Aug 2018 11:33
Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
If you'd like to return, I think it would be wonderful to see you back.

DesEsseintes wrote:
02 Aug 2018 17:46
Lao Kou wrote:
02 Aug 2018 13:04
"Why are you framing this as a pass-agg question?"
What is a “pass-egg question”?
I don't agree with the assessment, but I believe Lao Kou meant "passive aggressive".

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by eldin raigmore » 02 Aug 2018 20:29

As a diagnosis (not what I think was intended), I also think “pass-agg” would have been, at best, premature.

But as a humorous exaggeration (which I thought was intended), I thought it was appropriate-ish.

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Post by Micamo » 03 Aug 2018 13:43

I'm a great big very mentally ill baby who requires a constant stream of validation to not implode

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Post by k1234567890y » 03 Aug 2018 13:44

just do conlanging again if you want to, @Micamo
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by DesEsseintes » 03 Aug 2018 16:11

Micamo wrote:
03 Aug 2018 13:43
Eldin why do you remember my April Fool's jokes from 2011
Wasn’t it 2016?

Also: if you start conlanging again, I might drag Híí out of its grave and start working on it again. Psst, there might be word-final r now! (Shock! Horror!)

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by elemtilas » 03 Aug 2018 16:17

Micamo wrote:
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Would anyone care if I started conlanging again
No wishy-washiness here: YES, I care. You've been gone a while, for whatever reasons, and are now come back. I for one would love to hear more of your stories and see you return to the discussions of the day.

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by All4Ɇn » 08 Aug 2018 14:18

I'm currently working on figuring out the grade levels in which Ởnh·Vú speakers learn different characters and i've run into a bit of a conundrum. Typically I base them off the Chinese and Japanese grades the characters are learned in but I'm not sure what to do about the character 銀. In Chinese its learned in 4th grade while in Japan its learned in 3rd. However in Ởnh·Vú, its only used in the words 銀行 (bank) and 水銀 (mercury). Given that bank is a pretty common word, would it be too much to include this character as one learned in 5th grade, or should I hold it back until later?

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by shimobaatar » 08 Aug 2018 15:02

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All4Ɇn wrote:
08 Aug 2018 14:18
I'm currently working on figuring out the grade levels in which Ởnh·Vú speakers learn different characters and i've run into a bit of a conundrum. Typically I base them off the Chinese and Japanese grades the characters are learned in but I'm not sure what to do about the character 銀. In Chinese its learned in 4th grade while in Japan its learned in 3rd. However in Ởnh·Vú, its only used in the words 銀行 (bank) and 水銀 (mercury). Given that bank is a pretty common word, would it be too much to include this character as one learned in 5th grade, or should I hold it back until later?
I think you should be fine having this character learned later on, relatively speaking, especially if only two words in the entire language are written with it. Also, while "bank" is a common word for people in general, I think it should be taken into consideration how often children would need to write it.

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Post by k1234567890y » 08 Aug 2018 15:27

All4Ɇn wrote:
08 Aug 2018 14:18
I'm currently working on figuring out the grade levels in which Ởnh·Vú speakers learn different characters and i've run into a bit of a conundrum. Typically I base them off the Chinese and Japanese grades the characters are learned in but I'm not sure what to do about the character 銀. In Chinese its learned in 4th grade while in Japan its learned in 3rd. However in Ởnh·Vú, its only used in the words 銀行 (bank) and 水銀 (mercury). Given that bank is a pretty common word, would it be too much to include this character as one learned in 5th grade, or should I hold it back until later?
another choice: list it as a common character but not taught at element schools.
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All4Ɇn wrote:
08 Aug 2018 14:18
I'm currently working on figuring out the grade levels in which Ởnh·Vú speakers learn different characters and i've run into a bit of a conundrum. Typically I base them off the Chinese and Japanese grades the characters are learned in but I'm not sure what to do about the character 銀. In Chinese its learned in 4th grade while in Japan its learned in 3rd. However in Ởnh·Vú, its only used in the words 銀行 (bank) and 水銀 (mercury). Given that bank is a pretty common word, would it be too much to include this character as one learned in 5th grade, or should I hold it back until later?
I think you should be fine having this character learned later on, relatively speaking, especially if only two words in the entire language are written with it. Also, while "bank" is a common word for people in general, I think it should be taken into consideration how often children would need to write it.
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by ixals » 08 Aug 2018 15:31

I know nothing about how Chinese characters are learnt, but how do speakers learn characters that aren't taught in school (I assume not every character can be taught in school)?

Concerning Ởnh·Vú: Does 銀 even need to be learnt in (primary) school? Adults probably talk enough about going to the bank and banks have a big flashing "銀行" above their entrance, children can put one and one together, right? In the end it's a combination of 金 and 艮, which children will learn how to write earlier (I assume again because they look quite easy). Also 行 is probably learnt earlier than 銀 as well, right? So children would have all they need for this character I guess?
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Post by k1234567890y » 08 Aug 2018 17:11

ixals wrote:
08 Aug 2018 15:31
I know nothing about how Chinese characters are learnt, but how do speakers learn characters that aren't taught in school (I assume not every character can be taught in school)?

Concerning Ởnh·Vú: Does 銀 even need to be learnt in (primary) school? Adults probably talk enough about going to the bank and banks have a big flashing "銀行" above their entrance, children can put one and one together, right? In the end it's a combination of 金 and 艮, which children will learn how to write earlier (I assume again because they look quite easy). Also 行 is probably learnt earlier than 銀 as well, right? So children would have all they need for this character I guess?
not every character nneds to be taught, but usually students need to learn a sufficient amount of them, having a concept of reading and writing I think

students usually learn how to express their speech with certain phonemic spellings(which are never used as a major way to write in Chinese-speaking areas, but is used along with the logograms in Japanese-speaking areas. In Chinese-speaking areas, the phonemic writings are only used as an assistance for children to initiate the learning of reading) before starting to learn the logographic characters.

first children learn phonemic spellings, then they learn the logographic characters marked with how they are pronounced and how to associate the characters with their meanings.

maybe my explanation is not good enough though
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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by All4Ɇn » 09 Aug 2018 01:57

Thanks for the replies everyone! You’ve all brought up some great points :). As someone who doesn’t speak Chinese and has only been studying Japanese for two years, and has had absolutely no experience in either country’s school systems, it can be really difficult judging how something like this issue would unfold in those countries. I have to say, creating Ởnh·Vú has been a far more amazing way to learn about East Asian cultures than I ever would have expected. It’s strengthened my love for conlanging in a way I didn’t see coming.

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Re: Yay or Nay?

Post by Dormouse559 » 09 Aug 2018 21:35

All4Ɇn wrote:
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I have to say, creating Ởnh·Vú has been a far more amazing way to learn about East Asian cultures than I ever would have expected. It’s strengthened my love for conlanging in a way I didn’t see coming.
So gratifying to hear that. The opportunity to learn about natlangs and -cultures is one of the most worthwhile aspects of a posteriori conlanging. [:)]

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