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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 26 Aug 2018 04:13

The results are in!

67) How should the high vowels /i u ou/ be written?
b) /i u ou/ - <i~y u ou> (Similar to Old English, with <y> representing former /y/)

68) Should the phoneme /h/ be introduced through Germanic loanwords?
a) Yes.

69) What should be the fate of disyllabic /i.ə/ and /u.ə/?
b) They should be preserved.

70) It is 939 CE, and the Danes have finally been driven out of Britain, with Loundein having regained its former territory. Unfortunately, Johan IV, the most recent king of Loundein, has died without an heir. Who should become the new king of Loundein?
a) Carlo, the 15-year-old half-brother of Johan IV.

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71) What sound changes would you like to see in Old Brettaniot?
a) /ei ou/ > /e o/ (Proposed by shimobaatar)
b) /ei oi eu ou/ > /ei e ou o/ (Proposed by this_is_an_account)
c) /ə/ lost word-finally (Proposed by Jackk)
d) Stops devoice word-finally (Proposed by Jackk)
e) /ui oi/ > /wi/ and /iu ei/ > /ju/ (Proposed by Jackk)
f) Jackk's proposal + /oi eu/ > /we jo/ (proposed by Kawdek)
Propose ideas for us to vote on.

72) Should /θ/ and /ð/ be distinguished in writing?
a) Yes.
b) No, both should be written as <th>.
c) Other.

73) How should the consonants /k/ and /g/ be written before front vowels?
a) /k g/ - <qu gu>
b) /k g/ - <k gh>
c) /k g/ <k gu> (Proposed by shimobaatar)
d) Other.

74) How should the consonants /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be written?
a) /ɲ ʎ/ - <nh lh>
b) /ɲ ʎ/ - <nȝ lȝ>
c) /ɲ ʎ/ <gn gl> (Proposed by shimobaatar)
d) Other.

75) It is 1013 CE, and Danes have arrived on the shores of Britain once again. What will be the fate of Britain.
a) The Danes vassalize Britain, and make it part of their empire.
b) They install a king of their own in Lundein.
c) They install a king of their own in Dynhunia.
d) Lundein and Dynhunia are successful at repelling them, and they unite.
e) Other.

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These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Old Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
And this is the current phonology of Old Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/
/p b t d k g/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ h/
/r l ʎ j w/
/i u e ə o ɛ a/
/ui ei oi ai iu eu ou au/
Voting ends on Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 21:30 EDT or Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 01:30 UTC. From now on, voting will end on Saturdays at 21:30 EDT, or Sundays at 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 26 Aug 2018 04:55

71: /ei ou/ > /e o/
72: a
73: c (/k g/ <k gu>)
74: c (/ɲ ʎ/ <gn gl>)
75: d

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 26 Aug 2018 05:20

71: shimobaatar's suggestion + /oi eu/ > /ei ou/
72: a
73: b
74: shimobaatar's suggestion
75: Edit: c
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 26 Aug 2018 11:23

71. /ə/ lost word-finally
stops devoice word-finally
/ui oi/ > /wi/; /iu ei/ > /ju/
72. b
73. a
74. c, shimo <gn gl>
75. c
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 26 Aug 2018 15:03

71. C: /ə/ lost word-finally (Proposed by Jackk)
72. B
73. C: /k g/ <k gu> (Proposed by shimobaatar)
74. C: <gn gl> (Proposed by shimobaatar)
75. D

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 26 Aug 2018 15:38

71. C: /ə/ lost word-finally (Proposed by Jackk)
72. B
73. B
74. B
75. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by samsam » 26 Aug 2018 18:42

71:C
72:A
73:A
74:C
75:D
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by IEPH » 28 Aug 2018 01:20

75) c

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 28 Aug 2018 09:22

71. C: /ə/ lost word-finally (Proposed by Jackk) AND /oi eu/ > /we jo/
72. C
73. B
74. C: <gn gl> (Proposed by shimobaatar)
75. C

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 02 Sep 2018 03:55

The results are in!

71) What sound changes would you like to see in Old Brettaniot?
c) /ə/ lost word-finally (Proposed by Jackk)

72) Should /θ/ and /ð/ be distinguished in writing?
b) No, both should be written as <th>.

73) How should the consonants /k/ and /g/ be written before front vowels?
a) /k g/ - <qu gu>
b) /k g/ - <k gh>

74) How should the consonants /ɲ/ and /ʎ/ be written?
c) /ɲ ʎ/ <gn gl> (Proposed by shimobaatar)

75) It is 1013 CE, and Danes have arrived on the shores of Britain once again. What will be the fate of Britain.
c) They install a king of their own in Dynhunia.

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Using random.org, I decided to break this tie by assigning the number 0 to option A, and the number 1 to option B. The number 0 (and therefore option A) was chosen.

73) How should the consonants /k/ and /g/ be written before front vowels?
a) /k g/ - <qu gu>

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74) It is 1066 CE, and the Normans have successfully invaded Lundein, Dygnunia, and Gwynedd. How will this territory be divided?
a) It will all be unified under the rule of William I (Guigleum I in Old Brettaniot) as a single kingdom.
b) It will be separated into two kingdoms, Britain and Wales. Britain will be ruled by William and Wales will be ruled by another king.
c) Other.

75) Should /f θ s/ become voiced between vowels?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

76) This will be the last sound change in Old Brettaniot. What will be the fate of the diphthongs /ui/ and /iu/?
a) /ui iu/ > /y/
b) /ui iu/ > /oi eu/
c) /ui iu/ > /wi ju/
d) /ui iu/ > /ɨi ɨu/ (sporadically /ɨi ɨu/ > /əi əu/) - Proposed by Kawdek
e) Other.

77) Should Middle Brettaniot accept Anglo-Norman loanwords?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Old Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
And this is the current phonology of Old Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/
/p b t d k g/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ h/
/r l ʎ j w/
/i u e ə o ɛ a/
/ui ei oi ai iu eu ou au/
Voting ends on Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 21:30 EDT or Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 01:30 UTC. From now on, voting will end on Saturdays at 21:30 EDT, or Sundays at 01:30 UTC.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by shimobaatar » 02 Sep 2018 04:54

74: b
75: a
76: c
77: a

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by this_is_an_account » 02 Sep 2018 08:18

74: B
75: A
76: C
77: A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Kawdek » 02 Sep 2018 08:32

74. B
75. A
76. D: /ui iu/ > /ɨi ɨu/ (and maybe sporadically /ɨi ɨu/ > /əi əu/)
77. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Tanni » 02 Sep 2018 13:34

gokupwned5 wrote:
02 Sep 2018 03:55
74) It is 1066 CE, and the Normans have successfully invaded Lundein, Dygnunia, and Gwynedd. How will this territory be divided?
a) It will all be unified under the rule of William I (Guigleum I in Old Brettaniot) as a single kingdom.

75) Should /f θ s/ become voiced between vowels?
b) No.

76) This will be the last sound change in Old Brettaniot. What will be the fate of the diphthongs /ui/ and /iu/?
a) /ui iu/ > /y/

77) Should Middle Brettaniot accept Anglo-Norman loanwords?
a) Yes.
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Cavaliers327 » 02 Sep 2018 14:07

gokupwned5 wrote:
02 Sep 2018 03:55

74) It is 1066 CE, and the Normans have successfully invaded Lundein, Dygnunia, and Gwynedd. How will this territory be divided?
b) It will be separated into two kingdoms, Britain and Wales. Britain will be ruled by William and Wales will be ruled by another king.


75) Should /f θ s/ become voiced between vowels?
a) Yes.

76) This will be the last sound change in Old Brettaniot. What will be the fate of the diphthongs /ui/ and /iu/?
a) /ui iu/ > /y/


77) Should Middle Brettaniot accept Anglo-Norman loanwords?
b) No.
Can we have a rebellion of the Brettaniots reclaiming the island in 100 or so years. That would be cool!

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 02 Sep 2018 15:57

Cavaliers327 wrote:
02 Sep 2018 14:07
gokupwned5 wrote:
02 Sep 2018 03:55

74) It is 1066 CE, and the Normans have successfully invaded Lundein, Dygnunia, and Gwynedd. How will this territory be divided?
b) It will be separated into two kingdoms, Britain and Wales. Britain will be ruled by William and Wales will be ruled by another king.


75) Should /f θ s/ become voiced between vowels?
a) Yes.

76) This will be the last sound change in Old Brettaniot. What will be the fate of the diphthongs /ui/ and /iu/?
a) /ui iu/ > /y/


77) Should Middle Brettaniot accept Anglo-Norman loanwords?
b) No.
Can we have a rebellion of the Brettaniots reclaiming the island in 100 or so years. That would be cool!
That'd be interesting. I'll try to incorporate it into the next set of questions.

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 02 Sep 2018 15:59

74. B
75. A
76. A
77. A

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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by samsam » 02 Sep 2018 17:49

74. B
75.A
76.A
77.A
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by Jackk » 02 Sep 2018 21:19

74 B
75 A
76 B
77 A
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Re: British Romance Language Collablang

Post by gokupwned5 » 09 Sep 2018 04:00

The results are in!

74) It is 1066 CE, and the Normans have successfully invaded Lundein, Dygnunia, and Gwynedd. How will this territory be divided?
b) It will be separated into two kingdoms, Britain and Wales. Britain will be ruled by William (Guigleum I in Old Brettaniot) and Wales will be ruled by another king.

75) Should /f θ s/ become voiced between vowels?
a) Yes.

76) This will be the last sound change in Old Brettaniot. What will be the fate of the diphthongs /ui/ and /iu/?
a) /ui iu/ > /y/

77) Should Middle Brettaniot accept Anglo-Norman loanwords?
a) Yes.

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78) What should be the fate of /y/?
a) /y/ > /ɨ/
b) /y/ > /i/
c) Other.

79) Should Middle Brettaniot retain Old Brettaniot noun cases?
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Other.

80) Who should be the next King of Britain?
a) Guigleum, Son of Guigleum I (b. 1056)
b) Enric, Son of Guigleum I (b. 1068)
c) Succession dispute lasting several years. (Proposed by Jackk)
d) Other.

81) What should be the fate of /ɲ/ and /ʎ/?
a) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj lj/ (They become /jn jl/ after vowels)
b) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj lj/
c) /ɲ ʎ/ > /nj j/
d) /ɲ ʎ/ > /ɲ ʎ/, /jɲ~jn jʎ~jl/ after vowels (Proposed by shimobaatar)
e) /ɲ ʎ/ > /jn jl/ (Proposed by IEPH)
f) Other.

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These are the sound changes that have happened so far from Vulgar Latin to Old Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/ɪ ʊ/ > /i o/
/skʲ/ > /ʃ/
/kkʲ kʲ gʲ/ > /t͡ʃ t͡ʃ j~d͡ʒ/
/Cs Ct/ > /jʃ jt͡ʃ/
/tʲ dʲ/ > /t͡s d͡z/
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ei ou iə uə æ~iə/ | in open syllables
/p b t d k g/ > /b v d ð g ɣ/ | between vowels
/i u e o ɛ ɔ a/ > /i u ə o ə o ə/ | unstressed
/u o ou ɔ/ > /y u u o/
/j/ > /d͡ʒ/ | word-initially
/jj/ > /d͡ʒ/ | in medial position
/mn kn gn nj/ > /ɲ/
/pl tl kl gl lj/ > /ʎ/
/ɣ/ > /j/ | after front vowels
/ɣ/ > /w/
/y/ > /i/
/i u/ > /ɪ ʊ/ | unstressed
/iə uə/ > /ɪ ʊ/
/ij uj ɪj ʊj ej oj ɛj aj/ > /i ui ei oi ei oi ei ai/
/iw uw ɪw ʊw ew ow ɛw aw/ > /iu u eu ou eu ou eu au/
/ɪ ʊ/ > /e o/
The phoneme /h/ entered Old Brettaniot through loanwords.
/ə/ > /Ø/ | word-finally
/f θ s/ > /v ð z/ | between vowels
/ui iu/ > /y/
And this is the finalized phonology of Old Brettaniot.
Spoiler:
/m n ɲ/
/p b t d k g/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/f v θ ð s z ʃ h/
/r l ʎ j w/
/i y u e ə o ɛ a/
/ei oi ai eu ou au/
Voting ends next Saturday at 21:30 EDT, or next Sunday at 01:30 UTC.
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