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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by cedh » 27 Aug 2018 13:58

Nice!

(I'd probably use ə for /ɯ/, by the way.)

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by LinguoFranco » 28 Aug 2018 17:48

I'm working on my personal language, though my phoneme inventory and phonotactics are not set in stone, yet.

/m n ɲ/
/p t c k ʔ/
/s ʃ h ɦ/
/j w~ʋ l r ʍ ɬ/
/t͡ʃ t͡s/

/a e i o u/

Here are the consonants that can occur in the coda position: /n m l r ɬ ʔ/

The vowel system is kinda boring, I know, though I personally like simply vowel systems, especially the basic one with the five vowels /a e i o u/, or the Nahuatl four vowels /a e i o/.

I'm debating how much of a role palatalization and labialization are going to play in the sound changing process. The only reason I forbid palatals like /c/ or /ɲ/ in the coda position, is because I cannot really pronounce them that way with the possible exception of them occurring word-finally. I may need to tweak the coda set anyway, as it is a mora timed language, and I want the CVC syllable to vary between a light or a heavy syllable depending on whether the coda is an sonorant or an obstruent.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Kawdek » 29 Aug 2018 02:22

/m̥ m n̥ n ɳ̊ ɳ ɲ̊ ɲ ŋ̊ ŋ ŋ̊ʷ ŋʷ/
/pʰ p b tʰ t d tsʰ ts dz tʂʰ tʂ dʐ tɕʰ tɕ dʑ kʰ k g kʷʰ kʷ gʷ ʔ/
/f v s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ h/
/j w r̥ r ɮ/

/a ɛ e i ɨ ɔ o u v̩~z̩~ʐ̩~ʑ̩~ɮ̩/
/ã ĩ ɨ̃ ũ/

C(C)V(C)

There are 3 pitch accents (plain, high falling, low rising) which can fall on any syllable.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Ahzoh » 29 Aug 2018 14:18

/mˠɨs̪ħɨmˠ d̪ˠək/

/a ə ɨ/

/m mˠ/
/b bˠ t̪ t̪ˠ d̪ d̪ˠ t tˠ d dˠ ʈ ʈˠ ɖ ɖˠ k kˠ/
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/f fˠ s̪ s̪ˠ z̪ z̪ˠ s sˠ z zˠ ʂ ʂˠ ʐ ʐˠ ħ ʕ/
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by this_is_an_account » 29 Aug 2018 19:09

/m mː n nː/
/p pː t tː k kː q qː ʔ ʔː/
/b bː d dː ɡ ɡː/
/s sː χ χː ħ ħː h hː/
/z zː ʁ ʁː ʕ ʕː/
/r rː l lː/
/j jː w wː/
/i u ə a/

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Porphyrogenitos » 04 Sep 2018 03:13

/n/
/t t͜ɬ kʷ q ʔ/
/s ɬ xʷ χ/ (< that's supposed to be the voiceless uvular fricative)
/ɹ l w ʁ̞/

EDIT:

A mini version of the above:

/n/
/t kʷ q/
/ɬ xʷ χ/
/l w ʁ̞/

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 05 Sep 2018 01:11

/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g/ p b t d ṭ ḍ k g
/f v s z ʂ ʐ ʃ ʒ ç ʝ x ɣ ħ ʕ h/ f v s z ṣ ẓ š ž ś ź x ĝ ḥ ʿ h
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ m n ṇ ñ ŋ
/ɻ j w/ ṛ j~ĭ v̱~ŭ
/r/ r
/l ɭ/ l ḷ
/ɬ ɮ/ ş z̧

/i iː y yː e eː ø øː ɛ ɛː æ æː/ i ī y ȳ e ē ö ȫ ẹ ẹ̄ æ ǣ
/ɨ ɨː ʉ ʉː ɘ ɘː ɵ ɵː ɜ ɜː a aː/ î î̄ û û̄ ê ê̄ ô ô̄ ä ǟ a ā
/ɯ ɯː u uː ʊ ʊː ɤ ɤː o oː ʌ ʌː ɔ ɔː ɑ ɑː ɒ ɒː/ ï ï̄ u ū ů ů̄ ë ë̄ o ō ạ ạ̄ ọ ọ̄ â â̄ å å̄
/ã/ ą
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by k1234567890y » 05 Sep 2018 06:56

nasals: /m n ɲ ŋ/
voiceless plosives: /p t c k/
voiced plosives: /b d ɟ g/
sonorants: /w r l j/

vowels: /a ɛ i ɔ u ɨ a: e: i: o: u:/

alternations between vowels:
group 1: /a ɛ ɔ/
group 2: /i i u/
group 3: /ɨ i u/
group 1, lengthened: /a: e: o:/
group 2, lengthened: /e: i: u:/
syllable structure: (C)(C)(C)V(C)(C) at least

constraints:
before vowels: plosives must precede nasals, plosives and nasals must precede sonorants
after vowels: plosives must follow nasals, plosives and nasals must follow sonorants. Sonorants don't follow /ɛ i ɔ u/, and /m/ don't follow /ɔ u/

do you think I should introduce /e/ and /o/ ?
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 08 Sep 2018 01:20

Some languages written in 2 different scripts
/p b t d k g f v s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ h m n ŋ j w l~ɺ/ p b t d k g f v s z š ž x ğ h m n ñ y w l~r π β τ δ κ γ φ ψ σς ζ ϸ ξ χ ϙ χ́ μ ν ν́ ϳ ϝ λ
/i u e o ʌ æ ɐ/ i u e o ö ë a ι υ ε ο ω η α

/p b t d k g ʔ f s ɕ ʑ x tɕ dʑ ɽ m n ŋ i y ʉ u ʊ e ø o ɛ ɜ ɑ ja jæ jo ju wo wa/ p b t d k g -/Ø (not written) f s x z h c j r m n ng i ü û u ŭ e ö o ă ŏ a ya ye yo yu wo wa п б т д к г ъ ф с ш з х ч ж р м н ӈ и ү ы у ұ е ө о э ӫ а я є ё ю ўо ўа

/p t k ts f s x h m n w j l r ɬ i ɨ u ɪ ʊ e o ə æ a/ p t k c f s x h m n v j l r ł i è u ì ù e o ò à a п т к ц ф с х ҳ м н ў й л р ԓ и ӗ у ӥ ӱ е о ӧ ӑ а
Now one written in just Thai script.
/p pʰ b bʱ t tʰ d dʱ ʈ ʈʰ ɖ ɖʱ c cʰ ɟ ɟʱ k kʰ g gʱ/ บ ป พ ภ ด ถ ท ธ ฎ ฐ ฑ ฒ จ ฉ ช ฌ ก ข ค ฆ
/f v θ ð s z ʂ ʐ ʃ ʒ ç ʝ x ɣ h/ ฟ ฝ ต ด์ธ ส ซ ษ ฏ ศ ศ์ศ ห์ย ฌ์ย ฃ ฅ ห
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ม น ณ ญ ง
/j w ʕ̞/ ย ว ฮ
/l ɭ/ ล ฬ
/r/ ร

/i iː ɯ ɯː u uː e eː ɤ ɤː o oː æ æː ɑ ɑː/ กิ กี กึ กื กุ กู เกะ เก เกิ เกี โก กอ แกะ แก ก กา
/ã/ กํ
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Clio » 09 Sep 2018 22:23

/m n nʲ ŋ/ <m n ny ng>
/p t tsʲ k/ <p t ch k>
/b d g/ <b d g>
/f s sʲ h/ <f s sh h>
/v z zʲ/ <v z zh>
/w l j ʁ/ <w l y r>

/i jɨ u wɨ/ <i ie u ue>
/e ej o ow/ <e ee o oo>
/æ ɑɔ̯/ <a ao>
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Frislander » 10 Sep 2018 18:49

/p t t͡ʂ c ʔ/ <p t tr ty ‘>
/s x xʷ/ <s x xw>
/m n ɲ ŋ ŋʷ/ <m n ny ŋ ŋw>
/r j w/ <r y w>

/i u/ <i u>
/ɛ ə ɑ/ <e ə a>

/ə/ assimilates to /i/ before palatals and /u/ before labio-velars (including when another consonant intercedes).

Syllable structure is CV(F), where final consonants are restricted to /ʔ x~s m~n~ŋ/, where /x/ becomes /s/ when preceding any coronal stop or nasal, and and also /j/ with deletion of /j/, and the nasal assimilates to the POA of a following consonant, but is realised simply as /n/ when absolutely utterance-final.

Much of the morphophonology is tied to the morphology, in particular diminutives and in some verbs progressives triggering palatalisation.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Birdlang » 11 Sep 2018 01:32

/p b t d c ɟ k g q ɢ/ p b t d ḱ ǵ k g q ƣ
/f v s z θ ð ʃ ʒ ç ʝ x ɣ χ ʁ ħ ʕ h ɦ/ f v s z θ δ š ž ś ź x γ ḫ ğ ḥ ḩ h ḧ
/pf bv ʦ ʣ tθ dð ʧ ʤ cç ɟʝ kx gɣ qχ ɢʁ ʔh/ ᵽ ƀ c ʒ ŧ đ č ǯ ć ʒ́ ꝁ ǥ ꝗ ᵹ ħ
/m n ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n ỹ g̃ q̃
/ʋ ɻ j ɉ w o̯ e̯ a̯/ ʋ ɽ j ĭ ŭ ŏ ĕ ă
/l ʎ ʟ/ l
/r ʀ/ r ř
/ɬ ɮ ʎ̝̊ ʎ̝ ʟ̝ ʟ̝̊/ ɬ ⱡ ɫ ƚ ꝇ λ

/i y ɪ ʏ e ø e̞ ø̞ ɛ œ æ/ i ü ì ȕ e ö é ő è ȍ à
/ɨ ʉ ɪ̈ ʊ̈ ɘ ɵ ə ɵ̞ ɜ ɞ/ y w ỳ ẁ ê ô ế ố ề ồ
/ɯ u ɯ̽ ʊ ɤ o ʌ ɔ ɑ/ ï u ȉ ù ë o ȅ ò a
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Frislander » 12 Sep 2018 18:09

/p~f t tʲ k/
/b d~ɾ/
/θ s sʲ h/
/m n nʲ/

/p d/ are realised as /f ɾ/ intervocalically, and additionally /p/ is realised as /f/ before other consonants and word-finally.

Syllable structure is CV(C), where any consonant may occur in the coda. However, voiced plosives only occur in the coda as geminates or the cluster /bd/. Underlying voiced stops are devoiced before an unvoiced consonant and word-finally (note that /p/ is realised as /f/ in these positions, so /p b/ do not merge), and become nasals when a nasal consonant follows. Furthermore coronal consonants assimilate to the POA of a following consonant, and palatalised consonants only occur as a result of this assimilation to a following palatalised consonant.

/i(ə) u(ə)/
/e o/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a/

The close vowels are realised as centering diphthongs except word-finally. Furthermore the close- and open-mid vowels do not occur word-finally.

Stress is mostly fixed but weight-determined, being on the initial syllable by default, but on the post-initial if that is heavier, with weight being determined by the presence/absence of a coda consonant in each syllable (including geminates).

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Frislander » 15 Sep 2018 23:14

/p t̪ t͡s k ʔ/
/ɮ̪ s ç ɣ h/
/m n̪ ɲ ŋ/
/w ɺ ɹ j/

/i (ɨ) u/
/a/

The close-central vowel is functionally limited to breaking up clusters and preventing illegal coda consonants, and is otherwise incapable of functioning as a full vowel, being unable to appear word-initially or gain stress.

The language allows only a very restricted set of intervocalic consonant clusters and word-final single consonants, while all consonants are permitted word-initially and intervocalically. The set of intervocalic consonant clusters is restricted to /hp ht̪ ht͡s hk mp n̪t̪ nt͡s ŋk/ while the set of final consonants is limited to /p t̪ t͡s k s ç m n̪ ɲ ŋ/. Epenthesis works as follows: when occurring word-finally consonants that are not permitted word-finally and legitimate intervocalic clusters undergo vowel epenthesis after the consonant/cluster. Illegitimate intervocalic clusters universally undergo epenthesis to break up the cluster, and additionally if word-final and the second consonant is not a legit word-final consonant epenthesis occurs afterwards as well.

Stress is placed on the penultimate vowel in a word before epenthesis (so appearing to ignore high-central vowels in this calculation thereof).

Examples:

/saktu/ > [ˈsakɨtu]
/ɲipaɮ̪s/ > [ˈɲipaɮ̪ɨs]
/n̪umpikɹ/ > [ˈnumpikɨɹɨ]
/ʔt͡sikuhk/ > [ʔɨˈt͡sikuhkɨ]

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 18 Sep 2018 18:23

Today I had the idea of having two sets of coronal fricatives - dental and retracted - in Limestone. That gives this:

/p t k ʔ/ p t k ’
/p’ t’ k’/ p’ t’ k’
/s̪ s̠ ɬ̪ ɬ̠ x/ s z l ł x
/ɾ j w/ r y w
/a i o u/ a i o u

Fricatives cluster very frequently with stops, both before and after. /ɬ̪/ might very possibly have a [θ] realisation when non-geminate in intervocalic position.

I do really like this, but it goes against many of my ideas for Limestone. It’s certainly not meant to have fifteen* consonant phonemes... I guess I’ll keep the fricative inventory at the back of my head until I think of another language to use it in.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by gach » 19 Sep 2018 17:02

DesEsseintes wrote:
18 Sep 2018 18:23
I do really like this, but it goes against many of my ideas for Limestone. It’s certainly not meant to have fifteen* consonant phonemes... I guess I’ll keep the fricative inventory at the back of my head until I think of another language to use it in.
It's certainly a different style but at the same time it's too interesting not to use. Maybe have it in some variety of Para-Limestone.

I'm always most interested in the naturalistic historical evolution aspects of language creation, so I'm compelled to ask. Did you think of any origin path for the front vs. retracted fricative pairs, or are they simply an aesthetic choice?
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 19 Sep 2018 18:11

gach wrote:
19 Sep 2018 17:02
Did you think of any origin path for the front vs. retracted fricative pairs, or are they simply an aesthetic choice?
I’m afraid not, as of yet. I tend to think of the features I want first, and then I think of excusesdiachronics for them if I grow fond enough of the project to warrant the effort.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by jimydog000 » 20 Sep 2018 18:08

Consonants:
b t d c ɟ k ɡ
m n ɲ
v f l ɾ j
f s z t͡s d͡z ɟ͡ʝ h

Vowels:
a e i o u ə aː eː oː e̯i

Syllables:
(C)V
e̯i > eː /C[+post alveolar]_
ə > ∅ /C[+nasal]_
ə > ∅ ! C_C[+plosive]
∅ > ə /C[+voiced fricatives and africatives]_#

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dzitem: red
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tseeno: back (of body)
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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by Frislander » 20 Sep 2018 21:08

/p t t͡s k kʷ q ʔ/
/t͡ɬ’ t͡s’ k’ kʷ’ q’/
/b d d͡z g gʷ ɢ/
/ɬ x xʷ χ h/
/m n j w/

The distribution of consonants is to some extent quite limited - voiced plosives only occur inter-vocalically, while ejectives, the alveolar plosive /t/, labiovelars and glides could not occur in the coda, and /h/ does not occur adjacent to other consonants. Furthermore intervocalic voiceless plosives may exhibit pre-aspiration in free variation with plain stops. However, aside from these restrictions clustering is otherwise pretty free.

/i u/
/a/

Vowel length and stress are tied together in a complex way. Primary stress may occur on either the initial or post-initial syllable. However, while a stressed initial vowel may be either long or short, a stressed post-initial vowel may only be long. All unstressed and secondarily stressed vowels are invariably short.

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Re: Random phonology/phonemic inventory thread

Post by DesEsseintes » 23 Sep 2018 12:50

I came up with another inventory for those dental and retracted fricatives I was playing with the other day. I think I prefer this, and I’m quite certain that I won’t be using those fricatives in Limestone:

/n/
/t k q ʔ/
/t’ k’ q’/
/t͡s̪ t͡s̠ t͡ɬ̪ t͡ɬ̠/
/t͡s̪’ t͡s̠’ t͡ɬ̪’ t͡ɬ̠’/
/s̪ s̠ ɬ̪ ɬ̠ h/
/j w/
/a i u/

I think I’ll do without /x X/.

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