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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by GrandPiano » 07 Aug 2018 18:15

:eng: puppy and :eng: puppet

Puppy is likely from Middle French poupée "doll, toy", and puppet is apparently from Middle French poupette, the diminutive of poupée.
:eng: - Native
:chn: - B2
:esp: - A2
:jpn: - A2

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Shemtov » 21 Oct 2018 03:02

Per the False Cognate thread:
:eng: <what> and <quote>.
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Nortaneous » 23 Oct 2018 16:46

oh are we doing loanwords now. we can do loanwords

Palauan bangderang 'flag' ~ Latin funda 'sling'
Palauan barb 'valve' ~ Old Armenian gełdz 'yew tree'
Palauan kusarang 'spoon' ~ English cochlea
Palauan hon 'book' ~ Korean jabonjuui 'capitalism'

Tocharian B tmāne 'myriad' ~ banzai ~ Tyumen (city in Russia)
Tocharian B onkolma 'elephant' ~ Zhuang ngaz 'ivory' (probably)

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Birdlang » 03 Nov 2018 13:19

Portuguese bandeira, Spanish bandera —> Indonesian/Malay/Javanese bendera, Palauan bangderang, Tagalog bandila/bandera, Cebuano bandila, Sundanese bandera, English banner.
Sanskrit kalapati —> Sundanese japati, Indonesian and Javanese merpati, Tagalog kalapati, Cebuano salampati, other cognates in other Malayo-Polynesian languages, Lithuanian balandis (?), Hindi/Sindhi/Urdu kabūtar.
Ꭓꭓ Ʝʝ Ɬɬ Ɦɦ Ɡɡ Ɥɥ Ɫɫ Ɽɽ Ɑɑ Ɱɱ Ɐɐ Ɒɒ Ɓɓ Ɔɔ Ɖɖ Ɗɗ Əə Ɛɛ Ɠɠ Ɣɣ Ɯɯ Ɲɲ Ɵɵ Ʀʀ Ʃʃ Ʈʈ Ʊʊ Ʋʋ Ʒʒ Ꞵꞵ Ʉʉ Ʌʌ Ŋŋ Ɂɂ Ɪɪ Ææ Øø Ð𠌜 Ɜɜ Ǝɘ

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Shemtov » 14 Dec 2018 08:10

:eng: Yonder :deu: Jener "That" from PGm *jainaz.
And some say that *jainaz is related to the Latin root that gave us the "Identical/Identity" family, from PIE *i "DEM"
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by GrandPiano » 12 Jan 2019 23:55

If Latin fūnus comes from the PIE root *dʰew-, then "death" and "funeral" are related.
:eng: - Native
:chn: - B2
:esp: - A2
:jpn: - A2

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Ser » 15 Jan 2019 23:10

GrandPiano wrote:
12 Jan 2019 23:55
If Latin fūnus comes from the PIE root *dʰew-, then "death" and "funeral" are related.
Along similar lines:
Latin figere 'to pierce; fasten' ~ Spanish hincarse 'to kneel down' ~ English dig

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Post by Pabappa » 27 Apr 2019 18:15

how about :fra: Chevrolet and :fra: cabriolet? Two words for the same object from the same ultimate root word, meaning "goat", yet they acquired their modern meanings in two very different ways, one a descriptive noun for transportation and the other a surname of a man who just by chance happened to work manufacturing early automobiles.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cabriolet#French
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chevrolet#French
Sorry guys, this one has the worst sting.

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Shemtov » 28 Apr 2019 23:44

:esp: Aceite "oil" :isr: /zajit/ "olive"
Apparently, the Arabic cognate narrowed in Andalusian to all oils, and was borrowed into :esp:. It's especially surprising when my :esp: book used it for "motor oil"
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by WeepingElf » 29 Apr 2019 16:23

Well, 'oil' has undergone the same kind of shift in English.
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by CivilixXXX » 09 May 2019 15:34

:pol: Król (king) and ziarno (grain)
PL król < PS korljь < OHG Karl< PG *karilaz < PIE *ǵerh > PIE ǵr̥h₂nóm > PS zьrno > PL ziarno
/tsʲi¹⁴vʲiː⁵³ʎiks³³ iksʔiksʔiks/

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Sglod » 20 May 2019 14:11

:eng: Hell, :eng: :esp: cojones, and :lat: :eng: cilium. All ultimately from PIE *ḱel- 'to cover'. That one got me right in the cojones!

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Post by Pabappa » 21 May 2019 18:05

Sglod wrote:
20 May 2019 14:11
:eng: Hell, :eng: :esp: cojones, and :lat: :eng: cilium. All ultimately from PIE *ḱel- 'to cover'. That one got me right in the cojones!
nice. I used to believe that :esp: cielo "Heaven" was related, but it's not true.

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:eng: orphan = :eng: robot , because they both traditionally work hard with no pay. Also :deu: Arbeit "work".
Sorry guys, this one has the worst sting.

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by k1234567890y » 07 Jul 2019 02:14

Chinese (pronounciation in Middle Chinese: /miɪt̚/) "honey", English mead and Russian медведь "bear"(and its cognates in other Slavic languages), all of them contain a part that is from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).

The Chinese word is an ancient borrowing from Tocharian, which is from Proto-Tocharian *ḿət(ə), from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).

The English word is an inhereted word from proto-Indo-European. The English word is from Old English medu, from Proto-Germanic *meduz, from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).

The Russian word is from Proto-Slavic *medvědь, which is a compound of Proto-Slavic *medъ (“honey”) +‎ *(j)ěsti (“to eat”), and the Proto-Slavic word *medъ is from Proto-Balto-Slavic *medús, from Proto-Indo-European *médʰu (“mead, honey”).
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Dormouse559 » 01 Sep 2019 15:18

:eng: coriander and cilantro

Okay, this pair probably isn't surprising for that many people, but I had a big "Aha!" moment when a cooking show mentioned they come from the same plant.

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by eldin raigmore » 02 Sep 2019 04:17

Dormouse559 wrote:
01 Sep 2019 15:18
:eng: coriander and cilantro
Okay, this pair probably isn't surprising for that many people, but I had a big "Aha!" moment when a cooking show mentioned they come from the same plant.
How are they cognates?

Are arugula and “rocket lettuce” cognates?

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Dormouse559 » 02 Sep 2019 04:43

eldin raigmore wrote:
02 Sep 2019 04:17
Dormouse559 wrote:
01 Sep 2019 15:18
:eng: coriander and cilantro
[…]
How are they cognates?
They both come from Latin coriandrum; the former through Anglo-Norman/French, the latter through Spanish. When the show mentioned the botanical connection, I began to notice the similar consonants and vowels and decided to investigate.

eldin raigmore wrote:Are arugula and “rocket lettuce” cognates?
I don't know. Are they?

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Xonen » 03 Sep 2019 15:25

Dormouse559 wrote:
02 Sep 2019 04:43
eldin raigmore wrote:Are arugula and “rocket lettuce” cognates?
I don't know. Are they?
According to Wiktionary, yes.

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Frislander » 04 Sep 2019 22:04

Of course there's all the cognates thrown up by the Plains Algonquian languages like Arapaho and Cheyenne, for instance:

Ar bíí "buffalo" ~ Ch mehe ~ Cree môswa "moose"
Ar henéécee "buffalo bull" ~ Ch hotóá‘e ~ Cree iyâpêw "buck"
Ar nóubee "fly" ~ Cree sakimêw
Ar cóóx "Comanche" ~ Ch notse "foreigner" ~ Cree pwât "Sioux"
Ar hébes "beaver" ~ Ch hóma‘e ~ Cree amisk

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by k1234567890y » 02 Oct 2019 06:18

English clan and English plant
I prefer to not be referred to with masculine pronouns and nouns such as “he/him/his”.

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