Surprising cognates

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by GrandPiano » 07 Aug 2018 17:15

:eng: puppy and :eng: puppet

Puppy is likely from Middle French poupée "doll, toy", and puppet is apparently from Middle French poupette, the diminutive of poupée.
:eng: - Native
:chn: - B2
:esp: - A2
:jpn: - A2

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Shemtov » 21 Oct 2018 02:02

Per the False Cognate thread:
:eng: <what> and <quote>.
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Nortaneous » 23 Oct 2018 15:46

oh are we doing loanwords now. we can do loanwords

Palauan bangderang 'flag' ~ Latin funda 'sling'
Palauan barb 'valve' ~ Old Armenian gełdz 'yew tree'
Palauan kusarang 'spoon' ~ English cochlea
Palauan hon 'book' ~ Korean jabonjuui 'capitalism'

Tocharian B tmāne 'myriad' ~ banzai ~ Tyumen (city in Russia)
Tocharian B onkolma 'elephant' ~ Zhuang ngaz 'ivory' (probably)

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Birdlang » 03 Nov 2018 13:19

Portuguese bandeira, Spanish bandera —> Indonesian/Malay/Javanese bendera, Palauan bangderang, Tagalog bandila/bandera, Cebuano bandila, Sundanese bandera, English banner.
Sanskrit kalapati —> Sundanese japati, Indonesian and Javanese merpati, Tagalog kalapati, Cebuano salampati, other cognates in other Malayo-Polynesian languages, Lithuanian balandis (?), Hindi/Sindhi/Urdu kabūtar.
Ꭓꭓ Ʝʝ Ɬɬ Ɦɦ Ɡɡ Ɥɥ Ɫɫ Ɽɽ Ɑɑ Ɱɱ Ɐɐ Ɒɒ Ɓɓ Ɔɔ Ɖɖ Ɗɗ Əə Ɛɛ Ɠɠ Ɣɣ Ɯɯ Ɲɲ Ɵɵ Ʀʀ Ʃʃ Ʈʈ Ʊʊ Ʋʋ Ʒʒ Ꞵꞵ Ʉʉ Ʌʌ Ŋŋ Ɂɂ Ɪɪ Ææ Øø Ð𠌜 Ɜɜ Ǝɘ

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Shemtov » 14 Dec 2018 08:10

:eng: Yonder :deu: Jener "That" from PGm *jainaz.
And some say that *jainaz is related to the Latin root that gave us the "Identical/Identity" family, from PIE *i "DEM"
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by GrandPiano » 12 Jan 2019 23:55

If Latin fūnus comes from the PIE root *dʰew-, then "death" and "funeral" are related.
:eng: - Native
:chn: - B2
:esp: - A2
:jpn: - A2

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Ser » 15 Jan 2019 23:10

GrandPiano wrote:
12 Jan 2019 23:55
If Latin fūnus comes from the PIE root *dʰew-, then "death" and "funeral" are related.
Along similar lines:
Latin figere 'to pierce; fasten' ~ Spanish hincarse 'to kneel down' ~ English dig

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Pabappa » 27 Apr 2019 17:15

how about :fra: Chevrolet and :fra: cabriolet? Two words for the same object from the same ultimate root word, meaning "goat", yet they acquired their modern meanings in two very different ways, one a descriptive noun for transportation and the other a surname of a man who just by chance happened to work manufacturing early automobiles.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cabriolet#French
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chevrolet#French
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Shemtov » 28 Apr 2019 22:44

:esp: Aceite "oil" :isr: /zajit/ "olive"
Apparently, the Arabic cognate narrowed in Andalusian to all oils, and was borrowed into :esp:. It's especially surprising when my :esp: book used it for "motor oil"
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by WeepingElf » 29 Apr 2019 15:23

Well, 'oil' has undergone the same kind of shift in English.
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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by CivilixXXX » 09 May 2019 14:34

:pol: Król (king) and ziarno (grain)
PL król < PS korljь < OHG Karl< PG *karilaz < PIE *ǵerh > PIE ǵr̥h₂nóm > PS zьrno > PL ziarno
/tsʲi¹⁴vʲiː⁵³ʎiks³³ iksʔiksʔiks/

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Sglod » 20 May 2019 13:11

:eng: Hell, :eng: :esp: cojones, and :lat: :eng: cilium. All ultimately from PIE *ḱel- 'to cover'. That one got me right in the cojones!

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Re: Surprising cognates

Post by Pabappa » 21 May 2019 17:05

Sglod wrote:
20 May 2019 13:11
:eng: Hell, :eng: :esp: cojones, and :lat: :eng: cilium. All ultimately from PIE *ḱel- 'to cover'. That one got me right in the cojones!
nice. I used to believe that :esp: cielo "Heaven" was related, but it's not true.

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:eng: orphan = :eng: robot , because they both traditionally work hard with no pay. Also :deu: Arbeit "work".
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